Scottish football

[Alan Whittle]

Yup

Notice how the usual suspects are nowhere to be seen when Scottish sides do well?

I'm sure there'll all be back in July when Hibs go out in the qualifiers

Fixed that for you, thank you very much!

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Fixed that for you, thank you very much!

as if Hibs are going to qualify for Europe!

 

[Alan Whittle]

as if Hibs are going to qualify for Europe!

That's what I thought about Hearts! Shall we settle on Aberdeen?

 

[Lord Buckethead]

Willie Collum at arbroath today I see.
Finally found out.

Chris Smalling conceded a controversial 93rd-minute penalty as Roma were held to a 1-1 draw by Borussia Monchengladbach in the Europa League.
The Manchester United loanee was adjudged to have blocked a Nico Elvedi header with his hand by Scottish referee Willie Collum.
Sounds fair enough, right?
Well, it would have been if the ball hadn't smashed Smalling flush in the face.

Roma 1-1 Borussia Mönchengladbach: Chris Smalling concedes controversial late penalty

Chris Smalling concedes a controversial 93rd minute penalty as Roma are held to a 1-1 draw by Borussia Monchengladbach in the Europa League.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Deleted member 48881]

What a night at Celtic Park. Glorious.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Chris Smalling conceded a controversial 93rd-minute penalty as Roma were held to a 1-1 draw by Borussia Monchengladbach in the Europa League.
The Manchester United loanee was adjudged to have blocked a Nico Elvedi header with his hand by Scottish referee Willie Collum.
Sounds fair enough, right?
Well, it would have been if the ball hadn't smashed Smalling flush in the face.

Roma 1-1 Borussia Mönchengladbach: Chris Smalling concedes controversial late penalty

Chris Smalling concedes a controversial 93rd minute penalty as Roma are held to a 1-1 draw by Borussia Monchengladbach in the Europa League.

www.bbc.co.uk

That buffoon Collum is the worst referee Scotland has ever produced.
Clive Thomas wasn't born this side of the border.

 

[barneygumble]

Mad innit?

Whilst I don’t like Rangers (Gerrard Connection, supposedly Catholic raised), mad what happens to the standards of Scottish football when there’s two competitive teams, isn’t it?

Rangers raise their game to match Celtic, who then raise their game etc...

Scotland stands at 15th Place in UEFA Coefficients, giving them two places in CL for 20-21 season as it stands.

Good for them, I say.

 

[gonetomorrow]

as if Hibs are going to qualify for Europe!

After we've crushed Ross County 1-0 tomorrow, it's onward and upward as the A said to the B.

 

[The Celtic View]

When your top team in your home league literally has no desire to spend money to attract better quality of players and you leave the rest of the sides to rot away like a league one team in England. You can't act surprised when the quality of the national team drops.

No competition, the quality in the sides are poor, all you can hope for is an English club sign one of your own and improve them.

Players only get better with better players. Maintain poor standards and that's what you get out of it.

What are you talking about? Do you think Scottish teams get anything like the insane amounts of TV money English clubs do, but just decide to hold onto the cash?

The money Sky have poured into the English leagues has distorted football to the extent clubs like Bournemouth can pay three times the wages Celtic and Rangers can, despite those clubs having stadiums more than double the size of Bournemouth. Celtic Park has more than three times the capacity of The Vitality Stadium. Scottish clubs can't compete with Championship clubs when it comes to money, far less EPL sides.

What would you have Celtic do, run up insane debts to try to compete in tournaments it has no chance of winning? I'm sure I don't have to remind you how hard it is to win the Europa League, never mind the Champions League?

I'm sure a Man City, or Liverpool, fan could make an equally misguided criticism of Everton's spending on players.

 

[Kenshin]

What are you talking about? Do you think Scottish teams get anything like the insane amounts of TV money English clubs do, but just decide to hold onto the cash?

The money Sky have poured into the English leagues has distorted football to the extent clubs like Bournemouth can pay three times the wages Celtic and Rangers can, despite those clubs having stadiums more than double the size of Bournemouth. Celtic Park has more than three times the capacity of The Vitality Stadium. Scottish clubs can't compete with Championship clubs when it comes to money, far less EPL sides.

What would you have Celtic do, run up insane debts to try to compete in tournaments it has no chance of winning? I'm sure I don't have to remind you how hard it is to win the Europa League, never mind the Champions League?

I'm sure a Man City, or Liverpool, fan could make an equally misguided criticism of Everton's spending on players.

But then that is exactly my point.

Celtic have no need to spend money to be competitive in the Scottish League. They dominate it despite that and buy all the best players around them each year for buttons.

Therefore there is no competition, no desire there to compete with the European elite and never will be. So the knock on effect is to the rest of the country, less money as it's less glamourous and then the quality then drops further.

This is exactly what I'm saying here mate. How can you expect the other 10 teams in the premiership to have a chance of breaking that monopoly with no money ? They can't , so they are poorer for it.

And then because of all of that , the national team has poorer players because they play at a poorer standard.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

But then that is exactly my point.

Celtic have no need to spend money to be competitive in the Scottish League. They dominate it despite that and buy all the best players around them each year for buttons.

Therefore there is no competition, no desire there to compete with the European elite and never will be. So the knock on effect is to the rest of the country, less money as it's less glamourous and then the quality then drops further.

This is exactly what I'm saying here mate. How can you expect the other 10 teams in the premiership to have a chance of breaking that monopoly with no money ? They can't , so they are poorer for it.

And then because of all of that , the national team has poorer players because they play at a poorer standard.

Not the problem.
Look at Iceland even Belgium their leagues are poor but national teams are good even great.
Lack of grass roots investment is the problem.

 

[Kenshin]

Not the problem.
Look at Iceland even Belgium their leagues are poor but national teams are good even great.
Lack of grass roots investment is the problem.

Ahh but that's another point entirely

These countries export their best players overseas and outside of their house me league and the national team then benefits from it. How many of the Belgium first 11 play in Belgium?

Do the grassroots point is very valid yes, but then when they are moving professionally into a poor standard of football , very little in the way of development and therefore very little reason for them to move elsewhere off the back means of it

Back 20, 30 years ago, certainly up until the point of rangers demise you had two clubs that at least were ever present European wise. Even Aberdeen were up there They competed, they brought in better players and raised the profile of the league. Now, celtic are a feeder club to England and yet still dominate?

If you have a league where you have that scenario then everything suffers. It happens in England as well, but we have the money to at least hope to be competitive. Scottish clubs don't even have that, and no chance of it ever changing.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Ahh but that's another point entirely

These countries export their best players overseas and outside of their house me league and the national team then benefits from it. How many of the Belgium first 11 play in Belgium?

Do the grassroots point is very valid yes, but then when they are moving professionally into a poor standard of football , very little in the way of development and therefore very little reason for them to move elsewhere off the back means of it

Back 20, 30 years ago, certainly up until the point of rangers demise you had two clubs that at least were ever present European wise. Even Aberdeen were up there They competed, they brought in better players and raised the profile of the league. Now, celtic are a feeder club to England and yet still dominate?

If you have a league where you have that scenario then everything suffers. It happens in England as well, but we have the money to at least hope to be competitive. Scottish clubs don't even have that, and no chance of it ever changing.

My local club Aberdeen isn't full of Scots.
McGinn is a starting international.
Goalie is English
Top goalscorer is English.
I could go on.
Obviously this means there isn't enough home bred players coming through, hence my point about grassroots.

 

[Kenshin]

My local club Aberdeen isn't full of Scots.
McGinn is a starting international.
Goalie is English
Top goalscorer is English.
I could go on.
Obviously this means there isn't enough home bred players coming through, hence my point about grassroots.

That applies to England as well, the national team is poor on the whole on my opinion. Yes you have stand out players like sterling and Kane but money in the academies should be making them regularly.

The more English kids going overseas , you will see England suddenly looking much better (if they replace Southgate) because these players will have room to grow.

Even that Hudson odowie was only played to keep him at Chelsea, now he is back to the bench. Could have been playing regularly for a German club.

So the grassroots isn't just limited to scotland, but the standard of football and lack of money going into the league's is damaging.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

That applies to England as well, the national team is poor on the whole on my opinion. Yes you have stand out players like sterling and Kane but money in the academies should be making them regularly.

The more English kids going overseas , you will see England suddenly looking much better (if they replace Southgate) because these players will have room to grow.

Even that Hudson odowie was only played to keep him at Chelsea, now he is back to the bench. Could have been playing regularly for a German club.

So the grassroots isn't just limited to scotland, but the standard of football and lack of money going into the league's is damaging.

Lack of scouting up here is a problem.
Big problem.
Some great players over the years have excelled in England without standing out up here.
Even recently you have ryan Frazer or that rs lad.
McGinn of villa was great for hibs.
Celtic have done well with non Scots as we know.