Disgruntledgoat
Player Valuation: £50m
I, for one, wish all the best to the loyal followers of both the Queen's Celtic and the Pope's O' Rangers.
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I, for one, wish all the best to the loyal followers of both the Queen's Celtic and the Pope's O' Rangers.
Alanbileysfeathercut
Player Valuation: £80m
And it on the net.
Its ace.
Sorry.
Bit of humor amongst all this bigotry, on a Sunday .
Theses posters not be at church ?
The Celtic View
Player Valuation: £15m
I can only give my opinion. While technically Ranges went out of business, and it's only the colluding of the football authorities in a blatant lie that allows The Rangers to claim Rangers history, except the bits they don't want like bills etc, in my opinion The Rangers are effectively Rangers.
I believe where a team plays it's games, what colours it wears, and who goes to see them, plays a huge part in what makes the club. Celtic almost went out of business in 1994. If that had happened, and a new club, say Celtic Athletic, had started up playing at Celtic Park, wearing green and white hoops, and supported by 60,000 Celtic supporters, I would have said it was effectively Celtic, though maybe not technically. There would definitely not have been any collusion back then. If Celtic had gone out of business, they would have been treated like Airdrie, and Gretna were. There would have been none of this "It was only the operating company that went out of business, not the club" garbage.
I try to be honest, so you can't really have different opinions on the same incident. Rangers FC went out of business, and a new club The Rangers started up, and applied to join the Scottish leagues. This is a fact, despite the ludicrous "We were illegally demoted" nonsense you keep hearing from supporters of The Rangers. The club plays at Ibrox, wears blue and white, and is supported by 50,00 Rangers fans so, in my opinion, the newco is effectively Rangers.
I daresay you will get Celtic fans who disagree with me, and I have no doubt you will get supporters of The Rangers who will disagree with me. I can only give you my own personal opinion.
Disgruntledgoat
Player Valuation: £50m
Come off it. The only purpose of the SFA is to keep the Old Firm happy and in Scotland.
The Celtic View
Player Valuation: £15m
Are you saying if Celtic had gone out of business in 1994, and started up as a new club, the rules would have been completely changed for them? if so, I can only disagree, and say, in my opinion the rules would have been strictly applied by the football authorities.
Times have changed, and Celtic is in a far stronger position these days. Money is very important in a small country with so many football clubs. If Celtic went out of business these I reckon it would definitely get The Rangers treatment and be allowed to call itself Celtic. That would most definitely not have happened in 1994.
The Celtic View
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In the early 70's I plucked up the courage to tell my mum I didn't want to go to mass anymore.
Since then, the only time I've been in a chapel is for weddings, Christenings, or funerals. I respect everyone's right to believe in whatever the choose. Religion just isn't for me personally.
The Celtic View
Player Valuation: £15m
Corky's input earlier was equivalent to offering to hold someone's jacket.
laudo9
Player Valuation: £10m
So in your usual long winded boring as feck way you're saying you're worried ?lol
Didn't you see the Wolves - Man City game?
You've flopped miserably in this debate. You've taken a bigger pounding than the old Rangers did in the 1957 Scottish League Cup final. If you don't know the result of that game, it was an eight goal thriller.
As for softening the pain. once again a supporter of The Rangers is celebrating before they've actually won anything. They did this after The Rangers came third in a two horse race in the Scottish Championship, and got to the play off final. They were going to sweep Motherwell aside, except that no one told Motherwell the script, and the plucky, cash strapped, newco lost 1 - 6 on aggregate.
You have thought supporters of The Rangers may have learned a lesson, but no. After their penalty shoot out win over Celtic in the Scottish Cup semi final in 2016. The cup was secured, until Anthony Stokes stepped up and helped Hibs to their first Scottish Cup win in over a hundred years.
Now by this time you would definitely think supporters of The Rangers would have learned their lesson, and kept their powder dry, but, once again, no. After finally wining the second tier title, they were now going to put Celtic in it's place, because they had a manager who was the possessor of a magic hat (lol) I still have to laugh at that one, and also Joey Barton was enlisted.
Joey proudly boasted about how no one in Scotland could get near him, and he was in a different league to Scott Brown. It would appear that league must have been somewhere around National League North level, as he put in a few nondescript performances, before he left after he disagreed strongly that the manager of The Rangers was the owner of a magic hat, and left Mr Warburton in no doubt as to his own valuation of his managerial credentials.
Then there was last season. Steven Gerrard definitely improved The Rangers, and put up a much better fight than Mr Warburton, or Mr Caixinha. He put up such a good fight that The Rangers actually won a game in normal time against Celtic for the first time in the clubs history, around a year ago. Once again supporters of The Rangers celebrated, and boasted how they were going to win the title, and how everyone should get on board The 55 Express blah blah. blah. Once again, it all turned to Rafael, and Celtic went on to win their 8th, that's EIGHTH, league title in a row, and also completed an unprecedented treble treble.
We'll see what happens this season. Gerrard has improved The Rangers to the extent that Celtic are ten points better off than they were at this time last season, but if The Rangers win their game in hand they will go top of the league. The Rangers were definite challengers last season, but this season they are deadly serious challengers.
I've seen the state The Rangers fans have gotten into after winning two league games against Celtic a year apart, both in December. I shudder to think what they'll be like when the club actually wins a top level trophy for the first time in it's history. Obviously I'm not including The Petrofac Cup, or whatever it was called. Unlike your good self, I'll wait until the trophies are handed out and I see who wins them before I decide on whether to celebrate, or not.
Usual septic type as well seem to be well informed about everything Rangers although you missed the 2-0 at Ibrox in between the other two .Let's see if you can resist having to have the last word this time !
The Celtic View
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Right, you've bored my enough with your childish nonsense. From now on, unless you up your game, I will just be replying with an emoji. Think of it being like how a kid at primary school get marked with gold stars etc.
Bluerover
Player Valuation: £50m
I think you may be correct that there were one or two "outliers" but it would have been a cold house for them. I will have a look later - out with Mrs BR for lunch before the match.
Souness said he found a distinct chill when it was found that his wife was RC.
The Celtic View
Player Valuation: £15m
Alex Ferguson definitely felt a chill at Rangers because his wife was a Catholic.
I'm pretty sure Don Kitchenbrand gave a interview, maybe in the 80's, saying he was Rangers secret Catholic. I'm guessing because he came from South Africa it never occurred to the Rangers staff that he might be a Catholic.
Hugh O'Neil was a strange one. I don't even remember reading about him in the paper. At the time, Rangers didn't sign Catholics, so you would think this guy would definitely have made headlines, but apparently not.
In 1976, O'Neill turned professional with the Hartford Bicentennials of the North American Soccer League.
That fall, the Bicentennials sent him on loan to Rangers F.C. of the Scottish League. The Bicentennials failed to perceive that O'Neill's Roman Catholic faith and his family history of supporting Celtic could present a problem. Despite this, O'Neill played every reserve game that season, except for the games against the Celtic's reserves.[2] The Bicentennials became the Connecticut Bicentennials for the 1977 season. The Bicentennials sent him to the Dallas Tornado during the season.
Hugh O'Neill (soccer) - Wikipedia
Bluerover
Player Valuation: £50m
I was brought up in southside Dublin, and wad carried to see Shamrock Rovers before I could walk!! I became an Evertonian when I saw with open mouth the great 1969 70 team including the Trinity and my hero Alan Ball. My first kit was the classic 1970 round collar, shorts socks and.....a little pair of white boots!! My mother stitched a no. 8 on the shirt
Living where I did there were quite a lot of C of I folk so there was no bigotry that I experienced between us.
I was close with one lad in particular who was a fanatical Celt, and no one knew any Gers fans. One of the high points was of course Rovers v Celtic in the European Cup in 1986 with about 25000 at Milltown. Most Rovers fans would also have been Celtic fans but that night we were Dublin Hoops out and out .Celtic won 1-0 but Rovers were superb.
Overall your points are very well made, but I hesitate to judge on this Forum at least in terms of point scoring.
Undoubtedly Everton fans in the 80s were very much leaning to Celtic although I met the odd Bear.
I think most Shankill Road dwellers are very much Kopites.
More later...Mrs BR getting cross as we are out for lunch!!
The Celtic View
Player Valuation: £15m
I was brought up in southside Dublin, and wad carried to see Shamrock Rovers before I could walk!! I became an Evertonian when I saw with open mouth the great 1969 70 team including the Trinity and my hero Alan Ball. My first kit was the classic 1970 round collar, shorts socks and.....a little pair of white boots!! My mother stitched a no. 8 on the shirt
Living where I did there were quite a lot of C of I folk so there was no bigotry that I experienced between us.
I was close with one lad in particular who was a fanatical Celt, and no one knew any Gers fans. One of the high points was of course Rovers v Celtic in the European Cup in 1986 with about 25000 at Milltown. Most Rovers fans would also have been Celtic fans but that night we were Dublin Hoops out and out .Celtic won 1-0 but Rovers were superb.
Overall your points are very well made, but I hesitate to judge on this Forum at least in terms of point scoring.
Undoubtedly Everton fans in the 80s were very much leaning to Celtic although I met the odd Bear.
I think most Shankill Road dwellers are very much Kopites.
More later...Mrs BR getting cross as we are out for lunch!!
I had the round necked yellow top, and blue shorts away strip from the same era. I had white Hummel trainers, but not the white boots.
Until the memorial game for the victims of Hillsborough, Celtic fans tended not to view Liverpool with much affection. There was a lot of trouble between both sets of fans in 1966 after the CWC semi-final at Anfield. Back then Man Utd was probably the English team most Celtic supporters liked to see win.
When I went to games in the 70's some fans in The Jungle part of the ground used to sing "Liverpool. Liverpool. You're the sh*t* of Merseyside" to the tune of, I think, Bread of Heaven.
My mate went to Anfield for the Liverpool v Celtic UEFA Cup tie in 2003 and he said after the game supporters of both clubs were walking up the road together chatting away. A complete contrast to 1966.
Bluerover
Player Valuation: £50m
Going at 7. Praying for patience as usual after watching that pile of rubbish.
Depressing day.