Scottish football

[larbert toffee]

He did get of his mark mind you after Rangers/Gerrard beat him at Ibrox in the league and his record in Europe with Celtic was poor whereas Gerrard's record with Rangers has been outstanding?

Come back to me again on that one when Gerrard has won a previously unprecedented treble treble. , Lennon basically saw the last one over the line, as for bailing out he's probably getting 5x his salary at Leicester. I don't like Gerrard and he's got all the praise he's going to get off me.

 

[laudo9]

I think in fairness mate, most people want Gerrard out of Rangers not out of any fear of Rangers, but because he's completely unqualified to manage Liverpool and it would be a spectacular, and hilarious disaster. I would guess thats 99% of Evertonians viewpoint. I really couldn't care less about Rangers.

I get the Liverpool/Gerrard and all Evertonians despise him/them and would love nothing more than see him failing at Liverpool as I said in an earlier post "be carefull what you wish for"
I was meaning initially about the desperation to get him out of Ibrox and not rating him from the Celtic minded perspective.

 

[catcherintherye]

I get the Liverpool/Gerrard and all Evertonians despise him/them and would love nothing more than see him failing at Liverpool as I said in an earlier post "be carefull what you wish for"
I was meaning initially about the desperation to get him out of Ibrox and not rating him from the Celtic minded perspective.

I'm not sure people wouldn't rate him from a Celtic perspective. I think the big thing he's got in his favour in that role, is he's a big enough personality to handle the pressure of Rangers. Whatever we may think of Rangers/Celtic I'll always say both are huge football clubs. Unless you're a big, confident character you will be found out. It's probably controversial, but both are miles bigger than Everton. So he's handled that well.

He's done very well in Europe this season. I think Celtic will be disappointed, but you'd also look at it and say Rangers have been back what 3-4 years and this is their 1st trophy? Rangers will win trophies, especially in Scotland where the top 2 have such a big dominance in resources over the rest of the league, it's one of them.

 

[davek]

Well said Krankie:

Sturgeon prefaced her announcements by branding the scenes of Rangers fans celebrating in crowds across Glasgow at the weekend in breach of current restrictions as “disgraceful and selfish”. She said that the changes were only possible “because of the hard sacrifices that the majority of people across the country continue to make each and every day”.

She told MSPs:

Let me at the outset acknowledge, and be clear that I share, the anger and despair that the vast majority of people – including, I am sure, the majority of football fans – felt at the weekend towards crowds of supporters flagrantly breaching rules that the rest of us are following every day at great personal cost.

 

[peteblue]

Well said Krankie:

Sturgeon prefaced her announcements by branding the scenes of Rangers fans celebrating in crowds across Glasgow at the weekend in breach of current restrictions as “disgraceful and selfish”. She said that the changes were only possible “because of the hard sacrifices that the majority of people across the country continue to make each and every day”.

She told MSPs:

Let me at the outset acknowledge, and be clear that I share, the anger and despair that the vast majority of people – including, I am sure, the majority of football fans – felt at the weekend towards crowds of supporters flagrantly breaching rules that the rest of us are following every day at great personal cost.

She added....

And just like Salmond he should never have gotten away with that assault charge....

 

[laudo9]

I'm not sure people wouldn't rate him from a Celtic perspective. I think the big thing he's got in his favour in that role, is he's a big enough personality to handle the pressure of Rangers. Whatever we may think of Rangers/Celtic I'll always say both are huge football clubs. Unless you're a big, confident character you will be found out. It's probably controversial, but both are miles bigger than Everton. So he's handled that well.

He's done very well in Europe this season. I think Celtic will be disappointed, but you'd also look at it and say Rangers have been back what 3-4 years and this is their 1st trophy? Rangers will win trophies, especially in Scotland where the top 2 have such a big dominance in resources over the rest of the league, it's one of them.

Yeah, in Scotland second is last as far as the Old Firm is concerned but Rangers return to the top flight was sidetracked by the strange appointment of Pedro Caixinha which was an unmitigated disaster and held the planned progress back.
Taking the gamble on Gerrard was massive and was seen by many (and ridiculed by most Celtic fans) as an impossible task for a managerial novice.
As we all know he has rebuilt the team (with a few bumps on the road) to not only end Celtic's dominance but by also playing attractive exciting football and add consistently winning in Europe he seems to know what he's doing?
Celtic are now in the position Rangers were in 3 years ago, in dissaray and needing to completely rebuild, we'll see how they deal with that! As for Rangers hopefully this is the first of many going forward.

 

[catcherintherye]

Yeah, in Scotland second is last as far as the Old Firm is concerned but Rangers return to the top flight was sidetracked by the strange appointment of Pedro Caixinha which was an unmitigated disaster and held the planned progress back.
Taking the gamble on Gerrard was massive and was seen by many (and ridiculed by most Celtic fans) as an impossible task for a managerial novice.
As we all know he has rebuilt the team (with a few bumps on the road) to not only end Celtic's dominance but by also playing attractive exciting football and add consistently winning in Europe he seems to know what he's doing?
Celtic are now in the position Rangers were in 3 years ago, in dissaray and needing to completely rebuild, we'll see how they deal with that! As for Rangers hopefully this is the first of many going forward.

Yes I mean I'm not as keen an observer as you but that appointment seemed odd, I always thought Warbutton was a bood appointment that didn't work out.

In fairness to Celtic fans, Gerrard has been there 3 years, been competing for 9 domestic trophies and won his 1st at the 9th time of asking. So while you can't knock him doing it, I'm not sure it's been a universal success. As you've said,a squad with Rangers money, history, tradition etmc is going to win trophies eventually, and 1 in 9, even though it's the league I don't think is a dazzling return. It probably feels like I'm getting at him, and I'm quite open in saying I am not very objective with him, but it's taken him a lot of time to win his trophy.

I think Corona-virus came at the right time for him. I seem to remember they were close to imploding last season and it looked like he was close to being removed. But I always think you make your own luck, and he's certainly maximised that advantage.

In a lot of ways what he does next will define him as a manager, They were always going to win a trophy and the league, and they look a long way ahead of Celtic who look in a bit of a rebuild, so the challenge is on him now to win more trophies next season. If he able to keep improving while on top. It's probably been 25 years since Rangers really were able to do that, and have probably been in Celtic's shadow a bit this century so there is a moment here where he can potentially redressthe balance a bit. Maybe win 2 or 3 in a row.

If I was him, I'd avoid the Liverpool job like the plague. He seems to get the psyche of Glasgow, and Rangers. It's not for everyone. A bit like Liverpool, but to be honest probably more intense and parochial. If you kind of get that atmosphere though you'll thrive. You see some people relish it, others are crushed by it. On both sides Albertz, Gasscoigne, Sutton, Hartson, Lennon, Barry Ferguson etc all great players but seemed to go up a level in that Old Firm atmosphere. He's taken to it, and if I were him I'd stay where I was for a bit.

 

[laudo9]

Yes I mean I'm not as keen an observer as you but that appointment seemed odd, I always thought Warbutton was a bood appointment that didn't work out.

In fairness to Celtic fans, Gerrard has been there 3 years, been competing for 9 domestic trophies and won his 1st at the 9th time of asking. So while you can't knock him doing it, I'm not sure it's been a universal success. As you've said,a squad with Rangers money, history, tradition etmc is going to win trophies eventually, and 1 in 9, even though it's the league I don't think is a dazzling return. It probably feels like I'm getting at him, and I'm quite open in saying I am not very objective with him, but it's taken him a lot of time to win his trophy.

I think Corona-virus came at the right time for him. I seem to remember they were close to imploding last season and it looked like he was close to being removed. But I always think you make your own luck, and he's certainly maximised that advantage.

In a lot of ways what he does next will define him as a manager, They were always going to win a trophy and the league, and they look a long way ahead of Celtic who look in a bit of a rebuild, so the challenge is on him now to win more trophies next season. If he able to keep improving while on top. It's probably been 25 years since Rangers really were able to do that, and have probably been in Celtic's shadow a bit this century so there is a moment here where he can potentially redressthe balance a bit. Maybe win 2 or 3 in a row.

If I was him, I'd avoid the Liverpool job like the plague. He seems to get the psyche of Glasgow, and Rangers. It's not for everyone. A bit like Liverpool, but to be honest probably more intense and parochial. If you kind of get that atmosphere though you'll thrive. You see some people relish it, others are crushed by it. On both sides Albertz, Gasscoigne, Sutton, Hartson, Lennon, Barry Ferguson etc all great players but seemed to go up a level in that Old Firm atmosphere. He's taken to it, and if I were him I'd stay where I was for a bit.

Warburton's team played some great football but defensively he was naive and refused to change his philosophy, you need big balls to deal with the goldfish bowl and everthing that comes with managing one of the Old firm and unfortunately Warburton didn't!
There definitely was a point last season where it looked like it might be over for Gerrard and as you say the lockdown let him the players and Rangers re-evaluate things.
Don't think Gerrard would want to leave Rangers for another year or two, he'll want a go at the Champions League with the team he's built and obviously win another league or two, who knows what might happen when it comes to football, if Liverpool asked the question he(just like Souness done) isn't going to turn it down but I think he would rather wait a couple of years yet.

 

[PaddyJames]

As poor as celtic have been this season, rangers have walked the league and thats down to them and what they've done. Gerrard has built a decent unit there and you could see i the old firm at celtic park the gulf emerging between the sides especially in terms of desire to win. It won't be like that next season I don't think which is why gerrard might fancy a move down here to set him up for his inevitable anfield move.

 

[laudo9]

As poor as celtic have been this season, rangers have walked the league and thats down to them and what they've done. Gerrard has built a decent unit there and you could see i the old firm at celtic park the gulf emerging between the sides especially in terms of desire to win. It won't be like that next season I don't think which is why gerrard might fancy a move down here to set him up for his inevitable anfield move.

Gerrard already knows the English game inside out, what he's learning at Rangers regarding managing a big club with massive fan expectations, winning leagues along with pitting his wits against European sides and with the possibility of competing in the Champions League will stand him in good stead for eventually(hopefully 2 or 3 years) taking on the only job he would want outside of Rangers at the moment.
Celtic need to totally rebuild for next season and I wouldn't be so sure that they'll get it right straight away.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

A very enjoyable read this.

Rangers: From the Banter Years to the glory season under Steven Gerrard - a decade like no other

BBC Scotland's chief sports writer Tom English delves into Rangers' journey from the Third Division to the Steven Gerrard-inspired summit.

www.bbc.com

 

[Cork Evertonian]

As an Evertonian I want to see him installed at Analfield as soon as possible, don't give two monkeys either way for Rangers or Celtic.

In fairness you give plenty of monkeys. It's the reason why we have such a fraught difficult and confrontational posting history. Don't choke on all that humble pie, and sour grapes!

 

[larbert toffee]

In fairness you give plenty of monkeys. It's the reason why we have such a fraught difficult and confrontational posting history. Don't choke on all that humble pie, and sour grapes!

So you know what I do and do not think do you? well I'll tell you what I do think, I think you are the Piers Morgan of GOT, a gobby, boring, irritable individual who few take notice of, like him you were caught out as a racist and banned, only through a large amount of creeping and arse licking are you unfortunately back amongst us. Eat my shorts.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Gerrard already knows the English game inside out, what he's learning at Rangers regarding managing a big club with massive fan expectations, winning leagues along with pitting his wits against European sides and with the possibility of competing in the Champions League will stand him in good stead for eventually(hopefully 2 or 3 years) taking on the only job he would want outside of Rangers at the moment.
Celtic need to totally rebuild for next season and I wouldn't be so sure that they'll get it right straight away.

Frank Lampard, more successful than him,also knew the English game inside out....
I think its going to take Celtic a bit longer to match up,and by that time, slippy will be gone.
You rangers fans are kidding yourselves if you think a legacy will be in place.

 

[larbert toffee]

Frank Lampard, more successful than him,also knew the English game inside out....
I think its going to take Celtic a bit longer to match up,and by that time, slippy will be gone.
You rangers fans are kidding yourselves if you think a legacy will be in place.

Alan I noticed Darren Fletcher amongst the Aberdeen runners that would be a good shout would it not? You could become the United nursery.