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2021/22 Seamus Coleman

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Some real emotion in that photo
 

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Viennablue said:
Fair enough. But…

Is it always about hatred? Or is it about him not being quite as good/consistent as he once was?

Players deserve credit/criticism for good/bad performances.

Nobody was hating on him in 2014 when he was the best right back in the league.

If he played every game like he did today their would be no criticism. It’s just he doesn’t do that does he. Some weeks he (along with the rest of the team) is awful.

As a senior player and captain, as well as being a player who used to be consistently brilliant, it’s only natural that he will get more criticism for bad performances than other members of the team.

When you combine these bad performances with his age it’s also only natural to feel that he may need replacing soon. It will happen one day.

Part of the problem with everton for me over the past 20 years is that we leave players in the team for too long after they’ve started their decline. Tim Howard is a great example. He was a good keeper for us for a number of years (never to southall‘s standards, but he was decent). Then he declined and we kept him in the starting 11 for so long that no one could stand the sight of him.

Im not someone who criticises Seamus. He’s been a great buy for us and I think it’s great that our Irish fans have one of their own playing for everton. By all accounts Seamus is a great guy and good to have around the club. I hope he stays on as a coach after he retires.

But sometimes the criticism is justified. Sometimes it’s not about hatred. It’s just about recognising that an older player may be on the decline.

However, he was great today (everyone was) and showed he still has something to offer going forwards.
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To answer your question, mate, yes, it's 90% about hatred. It's almost universally accepted that he's far past his best and should have been replaced long since (I'm happy to be convinced otherwise by performances, though), but a huge proportion of the anti-Coleman posts don't say that. There's all sorts of personal vitriol and poisonous comments aimed at him, which are utterly unjustified given the fact he's always done, and continues to do, his best, even though that best has diminished substantially. There's something well beyond simple opinion and rational player critique at work here, in my view.
 

davek said:
Because he's had to endure 'the experts' claiming that his place should be taken by a no mark.
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It's okay to want Patterson to become a great member of our side and still have Coleman be an continued instrumental part of our club isn't it dave? Slagging off a young player and not giving him your support seems to run in the face of giving ex managers your full support?
 
Bluerover said:
Tell that to some of the horrendous haters that post about him.
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The posts about him being awful have been justified, though. He’s consistently been poor for a few seasons now.

It’s not his fault we never replaced him, but one performance like today doesn’t make up for the fact that he shouldn’t be starting every game for us.

However, it is nice to see him playing well and scoring, as it’s obvious that the club means a lot to him. Moreover, he did a rally cry this week and actually backed it up; which is something that he also doesn’t do very often.

It’s like you can’t say anything bad about a player, without being a “hater” then as soon as that player has one decent performance people come in their thread to call anyone out who ever questioned them. Same happened last week in the Gomes thread, low and behold, a few days later he stank the gaff out.
 
Glasshalffull said:
To answer your question, mate, yes, it's 90% about hatred. It's almost universally accepted that he's far past his best and should have been replaced long since (I'm happy to be convinced otherwise by performances, though), but a huge proportion of the anti-Coleman posts don't say that. There's all sorts of personal vitriol and poisonous comments aimed at him, which are utterly unjustified given the fact he's always done, and continues to do, his best, even though that best has diminished substantially. There's something well beyond simple opinion and rational player critique at work here, in my view.
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This is my point time and again.

There is something darker going on in a number of posts.

I have my suspicions but better not say.

Seamus is a committed Evertonian who has come back from a double leg break to captain this Club. He has not sat with a sick note for months on end and screwed the Club for unearned massive wages.

Of course he is not what he was 10 years ago but he showed today how valuable he still is to this Club.
 
Bluerover said:
This is my point time and again.

There is something darker going on in a number of posts.

I have my suspicions but better not say.

Seamus is a committed Evertonian who has come back from a double leg break to captain this Club. He has not sat with a sick note for months on end and screwed the Club for unearned massive wages.

Of course he is not what he was 10 years ago but he showed today how valuable he still is to this Club.
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I don't think so, I think he's just been bang average for a couple of seasons now, and through no fault of his own the club hasn't acted to get him a viable replacement or backup.
 

Mr K.Dilkington said:
It's okay to want Patterson to become a great member of our side and still have Coleman be an continued instrumental part of our club isn't it dave? Slagging off a young player and not giving him your support seems to run in the face of giving ex managers your full support?
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Pointing out that he's decent going forward but that three managers don't want to pick him because he's defensively stunted is not slagging him off is it?
 

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