2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Drico]

This is on the manager for A) bringing that player to the football club and B) ignoring the younger options that continue to sit and rot on the bench week in week out. So another narrative that he’s conveniently spun that we have no possible alternatives and his hands are tied.

Why are they even in the squad, Mike? They would be gone if recruitment wasn't a complete nuclear meltdown. I don't excuse Dyche from that, by the way. I have no doubt he is also part of that process...

However, fundamentally, there can be no doubt that our squad has been run into the ground during an extended crisis. And while a new manager with this squad might have us play better football and might have us earn a similar or even slightly better return of points, people are smoking their socks if they think there's a manager out there who will have these donkeys 15 points better off playing exciting stuff. The risk-return ratio isn't favourable enough for the board to act even in the positive scenario outlined above just yet.

But when they do act, they'd better be ready to splash some serious cash. And before they do that, they'd better be sure they have somebody who knows how to recruit methodically. Because I'm not sure that expertise exists at the club right now. Burn it all down!

 

[Blue peter]

Not sure where the controversy is, nobody can say the football we are playing is anything other than awful. If people are pointing that out I don’t see how anyone can disagree with it.

I think it is the worst football in the league, that part you could debate but we’re definitely in the conversation.

The only side with a lower than 40% average possession, lowest number of passes completed, 3rd lowest for touches in the final 3rd.

Dyche told us when he came here that his reputation was unfounded, it isn’t.

Terrible.

Absolutely this - points have so far been generally good enough under Dyche in comparison to Lampard to give some stability but there’s a big chunk of this conversation that doesn’t relate to Dyche in or out (some do) but people are dealing in absolutes, like if you critique him, you want him out and are part of a clique or a cult. Like most things in life it’s never black or white.

 

[Blue peter]

Nothing wrong with this anti-football as long as it produces consistent results.

This means errors can be critical and there may be very fine win/loss margins.

If thats the managers (whoever that may be) strategy then alot comes down to the players...

That’s the issue though isn’t it. Football like this never produces consistent results and never has

 

[Eidean]

I don’t think anyone is saying that? Yet again, some people can’t look at things objectively. No one wants Dyche long term but he’s doing the job we need now. The club is complete transition, we’ve repeatedly sold our best players and we just need to to stay in the league until the new owners and stadium.

Sometimes you have to play the long time. Accept the rough and smooth.

The exact same attitude was why silva got hounded out. Before he was sacked he lost Gueye in the summer, then injuries to Gbamin and Gomes left us playing Holgate in midfield. Brands didn’t want him sacked because he knew that results were largely due to a heavy injury list and we needed to just ride it out.

People on this forum cry out for progressive managers, a long term plan etc. but the reality is, they don’t have the patience for it.

I completely agree with @davek that some fans will never ever be happy

I don’t think Everton fans (majority) want a “progressive” manager, I actually think most would much rather what Dyche had them doing when he first turned up.

High pressing, direct, football in the final thirds. While he’s come in and done a job, his “style” has got worse.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Why are they even in the squad, Mike? They would be gone if recruitment wasn't a complete nuclear meltdown. I don't excuse Dyche from that, by the way. I have no doubt he is also part of that process...

However, fundamentally, there can be no doubt that our squad has been run into the ground during an extended crisis. while a new manager with this squad might have us play better football and might have us earn a similar or even slightly better return of points, people are smoking their socks if they think there's a manager out there who will have these donkeys 15 points better off playing exciting stuff. The risk-return ratio isn't favourable enough for the board to act even in the positive scenario outlined above just yet.

But when they do act, they'd better be ready to splash some serious cash. And before they do that, they'd better be sure they have somebody who knows how to recruit methodically. Because I'm not sure that expertise exists at the club right now. Burn it all down!

Amen

 

[kenada_blue]

9 games is a quarter of a season. I get when it was 4 games people saying it wasn't a fair sample but 25% of all of our games must be getting close to a point where we can say this is how it is? If not how many games is enough games to be a fair sample?

As mentioned by @Neiler we're currently 2 points better off than last season though

 

[blueboy72]

As mentioned by @Neiler we're currently 2 points better off than last season though

Had a nice start though, fixtures wise , 1 win in the 5 home games played. Is a shocking start considering the opposition, we’re on course to win 4 home games

Edit, we should have beaten Bournemouth. But got extremely lucky v palace, Newcastle and Fulham.

 

[Blue peter]

Did we no longer become relegation fodder in a vaccum?

Yes all thanks to Sean Dyson

 

[nsno-chris]

If we played anti-football with Branthwaite starting + Cafu + Robson + Kanchelskis + Batistuta we'd be getting results to take us near the top of the table.

Note: Many players under the top coaches can also play this way -- the old Italian way.

What are you actually waffling on about

 

[NorthernBlue]

I don’t think Everton fans (majority) want a “progressive” manager, I actually think most would much rather what Dyche had them doing when he first turned up.

High pressing, direct, football in the final thirds. While he’s come in and done a job, his “style” has got worse.

The Liverpool game last aeason should be Dyches blueprint at goodison. Teams should be roughed up good and proper and struggle to contain the tempo. Obviously it’s not going to be that way every game but more often than not teams should come away from goodison in bits. I think I can count on one hand the times it’s happened under him. Fulham strolled around all game yesterday and a better team would have waltzed it.

 

[MACCA75]

I don’t think Everton fans (majority) want a “progressive” manager, I actually think most would much rather what Dyche had them doing when he first turned up.

High pressing, direct, football in the final thirds. While he’s come in and done a job, his “style” has got worse.

I do.

It’s 2024 and I’m absolutely sick of watching a side that can’t keep the ball.

 

[Delargeinho]

Don't agree with bare minimum last season, but surely this season in terms of results or even below and we are not developing as a team.

Given the fixtures, I'd expect us being at 12/13 instead of 9. 5 games 9 points is fine for me tho.

We got away with a good result for the performances against Fulham and Newcastle

 

[efcste97]

I don’t think Everton fans (majority) want a “progressive” manager, I actually think most would much rather what Dyche had them doing when he first turned up.

High pressing, direct, football in the final thirds. While he’s come in and done a job, his “style” has got worse.

The fans complain when we don’t have possession, but then quick to moan whenever we do. At times at home it's fine if we play it around the back for a bit, problem is we currently don't know what to do with it whenever we do have the ball for longer than 30 seconds

I think his style has pretty much stayed the same since he joined, difference was at the start we where far more aggressive as a team

 

[Blue peter]

Why are they even in the squad, Mike? They would be gone if recruitment wasn't a complete nuclear meltdown. I don't excuse Dyche from that, by the way. I have no doubt he is also part of that process...

However, fundamentally, there can be no doubt that our squad has been run into the ground during an extended crisis. And while a new manager with this squad might have us play better football and might have us earn a similar or even slightly better return of points, people are smoking their socks if they think there's a manager out there who will have these donkeys 15 points better off playing exciting stuff. The risk-return ratio isn't favourable enough for the board to act even in the positive scenario outlined above just yet.

But when they do act, they'd better be ready to splash some serious cash. And before they do that, they'd better be sure they have somebody who knows how to recruit methodically. Because I'm not sure that expertise exists at the club right now. Burn it all down!

To be fair I don’t think I’ve read any post where this was the expectation. All I’ve read is that he should be getting more out of them (which so far this season I agree with)

 

[blackie_jones75]

City have unlimited money. If you play against a team of world class all stars using front foot attacking football you will lose 99/100 games.

Look at what Mourinho did at Madrid and Inter...anti-football to try and level the playing field against those types of sides.

He didnt do too badly.



Dyche has a big ego just like Allardyce. They will believe they can take the team into glory whether or not its possible.



A team consisting of Mykolenko, Tarkowski, Young, Harrison, Gana, DCL & Doucoure can play effective pass and move football?

Probably wouldnt be that effective I reckon. The premier league is a different animal -- we'd be like Ipswich were against us.



Whats wrong with Dyche having us midtable? Are half our 11 yesterday better than midtable, or are they bottom of the table types?



Then you probably need a hypnotist to bring back some memories. Dyche has at times used front foot attacking football while our midfield has hunted in pairs.

Not often, but its happened.

When I made the Martinez comparison I didn’t mean go full blown Pep Barca… but there could certainly be an effort made to play more passing/effective front foot football, some of those players you quote wouldn’t be in my first 11 either. Dyche has shown in a few games this season (Bournemouth and Leicester off the top of my head) a more progressive style, or at least a non hoofing / long diagonal hoof style so it really grates, when especially at Goodison, against mid ranking teams we sit off and hoof