John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £15m
Err, did I paraphrase him? Yes, but it's basically the top and bottom of what he said.
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2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked
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Err, did I paraphrase him? Yes, but it's basically the top and bottom of what he said.
John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £15m
Some proper dullards on here. 
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
In your opinion. But quite clearly interpreted differently by others based on you know, him actually saying he left him alone (he said it twice).Err, did I paraphrase him? Yes, but it's basically the top and bottom of what he said.
So maybe don’t be patronising about people supposedly “making things up” when you yourself are paraphrasing with an interpreted view that fits your agenda.
Pot, kettleSome proper dullards on here.
John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £15m
Haha. Even the lad who posted it has backtracked and admitted he never said he never coached him at all.
You crack on though...
You mean the players who finished 12th and only 1 point off the top half last season?
Chuckling.
This shows the lengths people will go to avoid acknowledging the difficulties and circumstances Dyche faces.
The point was a simple one: a team that's down on its luck and then goes years without spending—the only club in the league to do so—is going to stay down.
Acknowledging this doesn’t mean you’re a big fan of Dyche. If anything, it can add validity to any critique because it shows you’re not blinkered.
"But, but, you don't need to spend—look at Brighton."
OK.
Brighton spent £200 million in the summer—the highest net spend of any football club in the world.
They were signing the likes of Minter, Rutter, and Gruda while we were re-signing Ashley Young and hoping Leeds wouldn't get promoted so we could get Harrison on a free loan.
They had the capacity to do this by earning massive fees for Moises Caicedo, Alexis Mac Allister, Marc Cucurella, and Leandro Trossard. We couldn’t even get optimum fees when selling because other clubs knew we had to sell to stay compliant.
But shall we compare net spend since Dyche came in January 2023? Trust me, Brighton are well ahead of us since then in spend. I don’t have the exact data, but I suspect we’re at the bottom—or just ahead of Man City.
I know we’re the only team to have made a profit over the last three summer windows. Here is the last 5 years;
Remember, in all the anger towards the manager.
He's the symptom of how Everton have been ran for a long time.
Sacking him alone - like previous managers - won't progress Everton enough.
The team needs big investment.
Spot on this
smileychap
Player Valuation: £8m
Absolute brilliant post.
A key way to evaluate Dyche's impact is the path he has steered as away from... Would 777 have passed a Championship director's test? And RIP Everton FC.
But as a wool, I'm not at games each week and forking out to take youngsters to watch us week in and out must be painful, the playing style and results could of course be a bit better.
But Dyche's work is nearly done, we need to cheer the team on over the line. Whilst Dyche's hard work has merited a first season in BMD, I have changed my opinion and that the playing style and recruitment needed probably warrants different leadership. But we must not rock the boat now.
Need some warm weather training in the break and get the lads ready for a tricky December.
This puts a perspective on it mate! A lot of what you say and quote cannot be overlooked, for me though as much as Dyche is a "victim" of Evertons approach to almost all parts of running this club, he is also a symptom of it, in that we lowered our bar, to levels way below what should be expected, we pay top dollar Manager salary, so we really should be appointing top dollar manager(this is difficult to do given our current level of appeal) but you see my point, if we splurge £5 mill a year on a manager shouldnt we at least expect that manager to have some tactical flexibility. The team dont function under him, at all, barely scraping through games, BTW its not his fault that some knob in our boardroom wants to pay him £5 mil a year but it is his fault what we see on the pitch!
Bryan+
Player Valuation: £15m
Haha finished off with a graph. This is even better than a multi quote.
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
I do agree that it’s been tough for Dyche with the state the club has been in. And thank him for keeping us up that first 6 months.
He then saw us through an incredibly difficult season last season with the points deductions and got us enough points to finish 12th. But then immediately started talking us down as relegation candidates through the summer and start of the season. (Great way to lift morale for a team that finished effectively finished 12th)
I also think his limitations and his approach are far from getting the best out of the players. I really don’t buy into that this style of football is all we can do and is the only way of grinding out a few points, regardless of net spend.
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Think back to Everton 3-2 Crystal Palace.
Imagine being told that Everton would have to sell key players like Richarlison and Gordon, and be forced to turn a profit every transfer window for years. The only club in the league facing that reality (and Wolves, to a lesser extent).
Or rewind to Everton 1-0 Bournemouth.
Then picture being told Everton would endure successive point deductions— including a 10-point hit in November—and remain in ownership limbo for years.
No one would give us a prayer given the years endured prior.
Most fans would snap hands off just to remain a Premier League club.
You certainly wouldn’t think you'd be pointing fingers solely at the manager.
Is Dyche beyond criticism? Not at all. You’d be hard-pressed to find a fan advocating for a new contract for him.
But let’s allow context.
I'm regularly seeing stuff like;
"This is all on Dyche. We're in a relegation scrap because of Dyche. We shouldn't need to spend money" - Behave.
The club needs dragging over the line again, but get there this season - at least now we know new owners and Bramley Moore as a Premier League team offers hope.
"When we have new owners and capable of making a managerial change, we need a more progressive manager who'll help rebuild the club" - Sound.
We were prime Leeds/Sunderland if we went down.
Imagine being told that Everton would have to sell key players like Richarlison and Gordon, and be forced to turn a profit every transfer window for years. The only club in the league facing that reality (and Wolves, to a lesser extent).
Or rewind to Everton 1-0 Bournemouth.
Then picture being told Everton would endure successive point deductions— including a 10-point hit in November—and remain in ownership limbo for years.
No one would give us a prayer given the years endured prior.
Most fans would snap hands off just to remain a Premier League club.
You certainly wouldn’t think you'd be pointing fingers solely at the manager.
Is Dyche beyond criticism? Not at all. You’d be hard-pressed to find a fan advocating for a new contract for him.
But let’s allow context.
I'm regularly seeing stuff like;
"This is all on Dyche. We're in a relegation scrap because of Dyche. We shouldn't need to spend money" - Behave.
The club needs dragging over the line again, but get there this season - at least now we know new owners and Bramley Moore as a Premier League team offers hope.
"When we have new owners and capable of making a managerial change, we need a more progressive manager who'll help rebuild the club" - Sound.
We were prime Leeds/Sunderland if we went down.
larrygobfiend
Player Valuation: £40m
We need a squad. There’s far too little options for the manager.
Why did they spaff what little money they had on a centre half that doesn’t play?
Why did they spaff what little money they had on a centre half that doesn’t play?
NilSatisOptimum
Player Valuation: £70m
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Much more tactically Dyche could have done to go and get 3 points on Saturday. For one we have Pickford apparently screaming at management to get Dacoure off because he is knackered Dyche fit my ass. If that does not start alarm bells ringing, the canary ain't chirping it's dead.
Much more tactically Dyche could have done to go and get 3 points on Saturday. For one we have Pickford apparently screaming at management to get Dacoure off because he is knackered Dyche fit my ass. If that does not start alarm bells ringing, the canary ain't chirping it's dead.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
I’m convinced this was a product of the situation we were in. A desperate man has no negotiating power and that was Everton Jan 2023.
‘Please join us, we have 15 points from 20 games, are 19th in the table, we’ve just sold our best attacking player for 40 mill, you won’t get any of that for a replacement in January, we also have an injury crisis, and the immediate fixture list is horrendous with most of the easier home games already gone. If you don’t keep us up you’ll be remembered as the manager who took an institution down, and by the way if we go down it may well be the financial ruin of the club and put at risk any takeover and the new stadium which some fans will blame you for. Also most of the teams above us have better squads than we do. If you do manage to keep us up we have FFP problems galore probably meaning points deductions and you’ll be selling whatever decent players are left in the summer and turning a profit again. Bielsa has just turned us down but we do really really want you, now how much do you want to take on all of that?’
Had we hired Dyche at the beginning of that season there’s no doubt in my mind given our economic position that we would have ever offered him that. It was purely a desperation premium.
We’re skint, so maybe instead of whinging about our net spend, whinge that £5m per year is going on this serial loser.