2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[GrandOldTeam]

I do agree that it’s been tough for Dyche with the state the club has been in.

But I also think his limitations and his approach are far from getting the best out of the players. I really don’t buy into that this style of football is all we can do and is the only way of grinding out a few points.

I think he has in terms of results we earned 48 points on the pitch last season. I think that's as good as we're getting/we were lucky with injuries. It was certainly progress against the prior seasons.

Nobody buys into his style of football. Nobody wants Dyche managing their club, but we can acknowledge pragmatism, percentage football and needs must. I was on Lampard's case because for a long time, he'd have us try and go toe-to-toe when we didn't have the players to do it, even if we had better players them and he'd be destroying player confidence with us getting tonked. Spurs away was particularly bad.

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Much more tactically Dyche could have done to go and get 3 points on Saturday. For one we have Pickford apparently screaming at management to get Dacoure off because he is knackered Dyche fit my ass. If that does not start alarm bells ringing, the canary ain't chirping it's dead.

Let's put the options he had up here.

 

[Nymzee]

I think he has in terms of results we earned 48 points on the pitch last season. I think that's as good as we're getting/we were lucky with injuries. It was certainly progress against the prior seasons.

Nobody buys into his style of football. Nobody wants Dyche managing their club, but we can acknowledge pragmatism, percentage football and needs must. I was on Lampard's case because for a long time, he'd have us try and go toe-to-toe when we didn't have the players to do it, even if we had better players them and he'd be destroying player confidence with us getting tonked. Spurs away was particularly bad.



Let's put the options he had up here.

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So Harrison then, or Beto for 2 up top… god forbid he goes out to actually try and win a game.

 

[John from Bootle]

We need a squad. There’s far too little options for the manager.

Why did they spaff what little money they had on a centre half that doesn’t play?

No idea if true, but there's a theory that Friedkin's pulling out threw a spanner in the works. That we were planning on spending more after that, on Gnonto and possibly others.

As I said, no idea if true.

You can also look at it from a squad perspective. Centre half is a very specialist position. If we'd have gone in to the season with 3 of them, the only viable back ups would have been Coleman and Mykolenko. You can see the potential issues there I'm sure.

I suspect the terms were also favourable. £17 million spread over 4 years is not exactly huge money. If we got even slightly favourable terms on the first installment, then I can see why it was a deal we fancied. Granted, we could have picked up a journeyman, or taken a gamble on a cheaper player, but that's a slightly different argument. I can see why a manager would be uncomfortable going in to a season with 3 centre backs, especially when you consider the other options and the issues we have with those players positions.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

So Harrison then, or Beto for 2 up top… god forbid he goes out to actually try and win a game.

The squad is threadbare.

If we don't have the legs, going 2 up front isn't ideal. I wouldn't have done Vs West Ham. We weren't on top the last half hour. Mangala an Gana were already struggling.

People screaming to make changes after Beto come on, when he had Harrison on the bench. The same people absolutely slate Harrison, and slate Dyche when he started him over Lindstrom.

The options we have to change games are limited to say the least.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Hopefully get booted today

 

[Gilbert..]

Doing better than Pep and Arteta on current form.
We're lucky to have him.

 

[murphy89]

So Harrison then, or Beto for 2 up top… god forbid he goes out to actually try and win a

But going up top also increases the risk of losing the game? A draw away in the premier league is a decent result most weeks.

People often overlook how important draws are. If don’t win a game, make sure you don’t lose it.

The idea that any manager is going to risk a point away from home in the 75th minute by going two up top is ridiculous.

 

[nsno-chris]

He can’t improve players if they didn’t cost anything

 

[derek duvall]

But going up top also increases the risk of losing the game? A draw away in the premier league is a decent result most weeks.

People often overlook how important draws are. If don’t win a game, make sure you don’t lose it.

The idea that any manager is going to risk a point away from home in the 75th minute by going two up top is ridiculous.

Actually trying to win a game of football by making in game or tactical change is deemed ‘ridiculous’. Brilliant

 

[jinkyali]

Disagree mate. We make a number of scoring chances in most games that are let down by quality in the final third in execution.

Had hoped we may have added in the summer, but its the same problem.

We are really competitive in games, dominating many and cant finish.

Also if we are doing comparisons with other team you also have to look at net spend - we sold all our best attackers and replaced them with cheaper options.

Wish our issue was a one issue decision like sacking the manager, unfortunately i dont think it is.

We've a midtable team, with a bottom 4 attack.

We dominate games?

 

[derek duvall]

Absolutely atrocious manager. Completely untouchable in his eyes (and his bot Dychettes on here) Doing a great job (on £5m a year) with losses and draws someone else’s fault (Players, Ref’s, global warming, the Middle East war etc) Players are relegation standard and apparently incapable of being or playing better than they are, apart from Branthwaite of course. No doubt he’ll take the full credit for that. Apparently no available manager in world football can do better than this arrogant bell. Laughable. Can’t wait when this dinosaur is finally given the boot

 

[Raino85]

I think he has in terms of results we earned 48 points on the pitch last season. I think that's as good as we're getting/we were lucky with injuries. It was certainly progress against the prior seasons.

Nobody buys into his style of football. Nobody wants Dyche managing their club, but we can acknowledge pragmatism, percentage football and needs must. I was on Lampard's case because for a long time, he'd have us try and go toe-to-toe when we didn't have the players to do it, even if we had better players them and he'd be destroying player confidence with us getting tonked. Spurs away was particularly bad.



Let's put the options he had up here.

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You could of gone a back 3 of Myko, Tarkowski & Branthwaite putting Patterson at RWB and Young LWB

Mangala & Gueye central

With both Harrison & N'Diaye playing more central just behind Beto.

Harrison & N'Diaye can then get closer to the Centre forward than they can out wide still having a wide option using the fullbacks pushing Mangala & Gueye 5 yards further forward as we have the 3 Centre backs to cover

 

[nsno-chris]

You could of gone a back 3 of Myko, Tarkowski & Branthwaite putting Patterson at RWB and Young LWB

Mangala & Gueye central

With both Harrison & N'Diaye playing more central just behind Beto.

Harrison & N'Diaye can then get closer to the Centre forward than they can out wide still having a wide option using the fullbacks pushing Mangala & Gueye 5 yards further forward as we have the 3 Centre backs to cover

This logic will be shot down without any real substance.

 

[Saint Domingo]

The squad is threadbare.

If we don't have the legs, going 2 up front isn't ideal. I wouldn't have done Vs West Ham. We weren't on top the last half hour. Mangala an Gala were already struggling.

People screaming to make changes after Beto come on, when he had Harrison on the bench. The same people absolutely slate Harrison, and slate Dyche when he started him over Lindstrom.

The options we have to change games are limited to say the least.

Football is played by two teams also (which some people seem to forget). When the other team has better quality options on the pitch and on the bench then ‘going for it’ ‘opening up’ ‘playing for the win’ easily turns into getting outplayed for the final 15 mins and losing.

Paqueta Bowen Soler Ings Coufal were getting on top of us at the weekend by the end. There’s no other midfield options available to wrestle control back. The fans might think ‘throw Beto on and go 2 upfront’ but if it allows Soler and Paqueta the run of the pitch and they build wave and wave of pressure and we lose then Dyche is proclaimed as a prehistoric dinosaur idiot for going 442.

You do not get points and win games in the PL if you have a bottom half team by just having a positive mindset or ‘going for it’ or ‘wanting to win’. Maybe the odd time but not regularly. You do it by having better players. That’s what Dyche meant when he answered that journo (rather clumsily I will admit) on playing on the front foot. It’s not a mindset thing, being on the front foot comes from dominating on the pitch with better players. When you don’t have them more often than not you’re on the back foot.

let’s not pretend results aren’t everything. No one gives one how we played for 87 mins v Bournemouth because we lost and had Beto’s shot not hit the bar and come out v Southampton people would have called that a good away performance. If we’d thrown a point away at West Ham by opening up not one person on here would say ‘ah at least we went for it, that can happen’. If we open up 10 times in a row with these players away from home against a better team how many times do you think we win and how many times do you think we lose and all confidence and momentum just gets destroyed?

 

[tr_efc]

Football is played by two teams also (which some people seem to forget). When the other team has better quality options on the pitch and on the bench then ‘going for it’ ‘opening up’ ‘playing for the win’ easily turns into getting outplayed for the final 15 mins and losing.

Paqueta Bowen Soler Ings Coufal were getting on top of us at the weekend by the end. There’s no other midfield options available to wrestle control back. The fans might think ‘throw Beto on and go 2 upfront’ but if it allows Soler and Paqueta the run of the pitch and they build wave and wave of pressure and we lose then Dyche is proclaimed as a prehistoric dinosaur idiot for going 442.

You do not get points and win games in the PL if you have a bottom half team by just having a positive mindset or ‘going for it’ or ‘wanting to win’. Maybe the odd time but not regularly. You do it by having better players. That’s what Dyche meant when he answered that journo (rather clumsily I will admit) on playing on the front foot. It’s not a mindset thing, being on the front foot comes from dominating on the pitch with better players. When you don’t have them more often than not you’re on the back foot.

let’s not pretend results aren’t everything. No one gives one how we played for 87 mins v Bournemouth because we lost and had Beto’s shot not hit the bar and come out v Southampton people would have called that a good away performance. If we’d thrown a point away at West Ham by opening up not one person on here would say ‘ah at least we went for it, that can happen’. If we open up 10 times in a row with these players away from home against a better team how many times do you think we win and how many times do you think we lose and all confidence and momentum just gets destroyed?