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2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

I think he could help himself if he didn’t clap back at them at every single opportunity personally, especially when his track record suggests he’s actually not a very good manager and probably doesn’t know best.
I don't think there is a one size fit all for good and bad managers.

I think Sean Dyche is a good fit for a certain type of club. A smaller club where staying in the division each year is their equivalent of winning the league each year.

A club that has bigger ambitions than that seems not to be the right fit for him. He doesn't appear to be flexible enough to change his system to allow better players(when he gets them) to express themselves in the best manner. They have to adapt to what he wants.

I think he was the manager we needed for a while, he dragged us clear of the relegation which was certain if we stayed with Frank Lampard.

Last season he did well and helped keep us up in spite of everything that was thrown at the club.

However, in the summer we did keep our best players and did add some talent to them but you cannot see any improvement or change in style.. or results unfortunately.

I felt at the start of the season that this season was an audition for him to get an extension to his contract.
I don't believe the audition has been successful.
 
McNeil and Doucoure are considered 10s, but Ndiaye isn’t? The best way to describe Dyche without using stronger language is simply 'strange' Anyone who wants him at our club after the season ends sniffs bike seats
The Ndiaye remark is the last straw for me. Willful disregard of his record at a worse club than us.

I really like him as a human being. I think he did an excellent job in some tough circumstances. For whatever reason he’s digging in on some bizarre personnel choices this season and the explanations are even worse than the moves themselves. Smells like he knows he’s gone, or wants to be, and he’s getting some shots in on the way out.
 
This long section from the i article on our youth team focuses on our identity and I think is really interesting in terms of the discussion re Dyche and the current set up-

“It started with a huge data project – led by head of insights Reeve – on tactical trends and the way football is heading, moving onto Everton’s own evolution. Among the insights was the discovery that modern teams made an average of three tactical changes per game.

“The whole point of the academy is to get players ready for tomorrow, so we needed to know where the game is today, where it’s going tomorrow and where Everton fit into that,” Darlington says.
“We looked at clubs across the world, the international game and where Everton measure against that standard and what it means for what we needed to do.
“We wanted to ask our coaches ‘What does great look like’ and that research project meant we could go back to them with tangible evidence.”

Working groups formed from the coaching teams were set up and asked to present ideas over a fortnight in terms of in and out of possession work and transitional moments. There were, Darlington admits, some “interesting arguments” over what mattered but a vision was hashed out and presented to Thelwell and first-team coaches Steve Stone and Ian Woan for their feedback.
From that came their game model – a set of principles taught to academy players that form a core part of the club’s identity moving forward.

The club decided that rather than a fixed style of play, they would be flexible, working on three different formations: 4-4-2, 3-4-3 and 4-3-3 that they learn in blocks of six weeks across the season.
So young central midfield players in the academy learn how to play in a two, three or four across the middle, full-backs play as orthodox defenders and wing-backs while centre-backs are coached to play in a four or a three. Their strikers are taught to play as a nine, as a two up front or in a three or a four up top.
“If you’re a player coming through you’ve got to be flexible in terms of your understanding of the game nowadays,” Darlington says.

i sees the presentation delivered to coaches and players which sets out this model, as well as the curriculum agreed on among the staff to deliver it. It is seriously detailed.

So what are the Everton principles? “Out of possession of the ball Everton teams are front-foot,” Darlington explains.
“We have dropped the word defending from the model. We changed it to attacking without the ball to get the mentality right.

“We want Everton teams to be high up the pitch, pressing teams, getting the fan off their seat in terms of press. [We want to be] front-foot, aggressive, trying to get the ball high up the pitch, going in waves of support in terms of trying to defend from the front. We want a really aggressive, front foot mentality.

“When we get the ball we don’t want to be a Manchester City type team, a 75 per cent possession team, because it’s not Everton Football Club.
“We call it having controlled, purposeful possession. We have control of games and purposeful possession to get up the pitch.
“We want a bit more guile around us trying to get up the pitch and how we exploit overloads and then when we get there speeding the game up.
“Those are the fundamentals we’re trying to drill into the players. A front-foot mentality, purposeful possession.””
 
This long section from the i article on our youth team focuses on our identity and I think is really interesting in terms of the discussion re Dyche and the current set up-

“It started with a huge data project – led by head of insights Reeve – on tactical trends and the way football is heading, moving onto Everton’s own evolution. Among the insights was the discovery that modern teams made an average of three tactical changes per game.

“The whole point of the academy is to get players ready for tomorrow, so we needed to know where the game is today, where it’s going tomorrow and where Everton fit into that,” Darlington says.
“We looked at clubs across the world, the international game and where Everton measure against that standard and what it means for what we needed to do.
“We wanted to ask our coaches ‘What does great look like’ and that research project meant we could go back to them with tangible evidence.”

Working groups formed from the coaching teams were set up and asked to present ideas over a fortnight in terms of in and out of possession work and transitional moments. There were, Darlington admits, some “interesting arguments” over what mattered but a vision was hashed out and presented to Thelwell and first-team coaches Steve Stone and Ian Woan for their feedback.
From that came their game model – a set of principles taught to academy players that form a core part of the club’s identity moving forward.

The club decided that rather than a fixed style of play, they would be flexible, working on three different formations: 4-4-2, 3-4-3 and 4-3-3 that they learn in blocks of six weeks across the season.
So young central midfield players in the academy learn how to play in a two, three or four across the middle, full-backs play as orthodox defenders and wing-backs while centre-backs are coached to play in a four or a three. Their strikers are taught to play as a nine, as a two up front or in a three or a four up top.
“If you’re a player coming through you’ve got to be flexible in terms of your understanding of the game nowadays,” Darlington says.

i sees the presentation delivered to coaches and players which sets out this model, as well as the curriculum agreed on among the staff to deliver it. It is seriously detailed.

So what are the Everton principles? “Out of possession of the ball Everton teams are front-foot,” Darlington explains.
“We have dropped the word defending from the model. We changed it to attacking without the ball to get the mentality right.

“We want Everton teams to be high up the pitch, pressing teams, getting the fan off their seat in terms of press. [We want to be] front-foot, aggressive, trying to get the ball high up the pitch, going in waves of support in terms of trying to defend from the front. We want a really aggressive, front foot mentality.

“When we get the ball we don’t want to be a Manchester City type team, a 75 per cent possession team, because it’s not Everton Football Club.
“We call it having controlled, purposeful possession. We have control of games and purposeful possession to get up the pitch.
“We want a bit more guile around us trying to get up the pitch and how we exploit overloads and then when we get there speeding the game up.
“Those are the fundamentals we’re trying to drill into the players. A front-foot mentality, purposeful possession.””
I find the last paragraph worrying.
 

Why did Koeman get sacked? Why did Silva get sacked ? Because they had us fighting relegation within a year or two of being appointed. It hasn't been just been 3 years.
Yes it has been 3 years.

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In fairness the idea that he said 'he doesn't work hard enough' is just an invention on here. The point he was making was about his ability to close down passing lanes, it's about awareness not effort. Beto has that issue for sure, he runs round like a headless chicken but he doesn't close down with any purpose because he doesn't seem to understand the concept of it.

To be clear, I think it was a stupid thing for Dyche to say, particularly in the current climate, but I think it's important to note that he wasn't accusing him of shirking.
He's only going to become more belligerent as the end draws nearer.

Even with people making excuses for him about the difference between positioning and pressing, he's still coming across as though fairly basic coaching is beyond him.

I'd been doing a good job of just ignoring him up until recently. I need to get back to doing that again.
 
Tbf, goodison doesn't respond to possession. Goodison responds to aggressive pressing, hard tackles and effort. That doesn't really scream 75% possession
To an extent I agree.

Goodison does demand hard work first .

For me the team of the 80s epitomised everything that Everton should be about.

Tough , aggressive, able to mix it but also talented players who could play.

Possession on its own is worthless, it's what you do with it.

However squandering possession, waving the white flag and playing in a low block has never been and should it be Everton.

I want to see an Everton team play on the front foot , play with aggression and look to attack .
 
Tbf, goodison doesn't respond to possession. Goodison responds to aggressive pressing, hard tackles and effort. That doesn't really scream 75% possession
No we respond seeing our team trying to win a football game on our own patch.
And go out to go after the opposition and getting fans involved. We need to see a mix of different styles and a manger who can do that, you can’t really play like city unless you have a billion to spend. But you need to be comfortable in possession so you can control games, you can’t be a goal up Witt 20 mins to go and just keep booting the ball back to the opposition.
 
He's only going to become more belligerent as the end draws nearer.

Even with people making excuses for him about the difference between positioning and pressing, he's still coming across as though fairly basic coaching is beyond him.

I'd been doing a good job of just ignoring him up until recently. I need to get back to doing that again.
I think ignoring what managers say generally is a good rule to live by. They will always be self serving and most of them aren't very intelligent and so just give generic soundbite answers like they've been coached to, that's why they all say stuff like 'good moment' and 'noise' etc, it's just media training they've all had. They're generally just egotistical fellas who begrudge the entire idea of a press conference and so treat the whole thing with contempt, it's the same across the entire football league to be honest.
 

He's only going to become more belligerent as the end draws nearer.

Even with people making excuses for him about the difference between positioning and pressing, he's still coming across as though fairly basic coaching is beyond him.

I'd been doing a good job of just ignoring him up until recently. I need to get back to doing that again.

He’s also far more likely to sabotage us on the pitch. The more he’s criticised the less likely it’ll be that he changes anything, ergo the less likely it will be that our results improve. Morale could be on the floor going into that nightmare run of fixtures and we could easily end up in a death spiral if he’s not relieved of his duties very soon.
 
This long section from the i article on our youth team focuses on our identity and I think is really interesting in terms of the discussion re Dyche and the current set up-

“It started with a huge data project – led by head of insights Reeve – on tactical trends and the way football is heading, moving onto Everton’s own evolution. Among the insights was the discovery that modern teams made an average of three tactical changes per game.

“The whole point of the academy is to get players ready for tomorrow, so we needed to know where the game is today, where it’s going tomorrow and where Everton fit into that,” Darlington says.
“We looked at clubs across the world, the international game and where Everton measure against that standard and what it means for what we needed to do.
“We wanted to ask our coaches ‘What does great look like’ and that research project meant we could go back to them with tangible evidence.”

Working groups formed from the coaching teams were set up and asked to present ideas over a fortnight in terms of in and out of possession work and transitional moments. There were, Darlington admits, some “interesting arguments” over what mattered but a vision was hashed out and presented to Thelwell and first-team coaches Steve Stone and Ian Woan for their feedback.
From that came their game model – a set of principles taught to academy players that form a core part of the club’s identity moving forward.

The club decided that rather than a fixed style of play, they would be flexible, working on three different formations: 4-4-2, 3-4-3 and 4-3-3 that they learn in blocks of six weeks across the season.
So young central midfield players in the academy learn how to play in a two, three or four across the middle, full-backs play as orthodox defenders and wing-backs while centre-backs are coached to play in a four or a three. Their strikers are taught to play as a nine, as a two up front or in a three or a four up top.
“If you’re a player coming through you’ve got to be flexible in terms of your understanding of the game nowadays,” Darlington says.

i sees the presentation delivered to coaches and players which sets out this model, as well as the curriculum agreed on among the staff to deliver it. It is seriously detailed.

So what are the Everton principles? “Out of possession of the ball Everton teams are front-foot,” Darlington explains.
“We have dropped the word defending from the model. We changed it to attacking without the ball to get the mentality right.

“We want Everton teams to be high up the pitch, pressing teams, getting the fan off their seat in terms of press. [We want to be] front-foot, aggressive, trying to get the ball high up the pitch, going in waves of support in terms of trying to defend from the front. We want a really aggressive, front foot mentality.

“When we get the ball we don’t want to be a Manchester City type team, a 75 per cent possession team, because it’s not Everton Football Club.
“We call it having controlled, purposeful possession. We have control of games and purposeful possession to get up the pitch.
“We want a bit more guile around us trying to get up the pitch and how we exploit overloads and then when we get there speeding the game up.
“Those are the fundamentals we’re trying to drill into the players. A front-foot mentality, purposeful possession.””

Someone might to want to notify Dyche about these changes in tactics, mindset and that the word "defending" has been dropped out of the coaching model.

This confirms (not that anyone should need it) that Dyche and Thelwell are on completely different pages. All the above info is passed to Woan and Stone and agreed with all coaches, yet it definitely doesn't seem to be implemented in any way, shape or form by the manager so renders it pointless at this moment in time.
 
No we respond seeing our team trying to win a football game on our own patch.
And go out to go after the opposition and getting fans involved. We need to see a mix of different styles and a manger who can do that, you can’t really play like city unless you have a billion to spend. But you need to be comfortable in possession so you can control games, you can’t be a goal up Witt 20 mins to go and just keep booting the ball back to the opposition.
Playing at goodison since carlo against lesser opposition has been a consistent problem for us. Its why the crowd is generally more up for a game against one of the big boys, because we get a chance to be aggressive out of possession and fans like to see the effort.

You can't deny that there are grumbles when we are passing the ball between midfield and defence against one of the 'lesser' teams.
 

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