2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

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blueboy72 said:
Well that makes your post even more bizarre the fact you’ve been watching since 77. It was nothing to do with relegation it was to do with not starting the sewpwk as good as we should have, Koeman had us 7th the season before and silva was 8th the season before , just because you drop into the relegation zone in October/November doesn’t mean you’re in relegation trouble, the team we have today has more chance of going down then them 2 sides, by a mile which was proved with the Final positions then season
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Silva pretty much had to go after we got tonked in the derby, but he’s the one that got away. I’d have him back in a second, not that he’d leave where he is for us.
 

Marius57 said:
Has anyone said he is really bad on the left? Or just that he would be even better (and likely the best option we have) to play centrally as a number 10 (which is his actual position)?
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I'm not sure i'd say it's his 'actual position', he played well there for Sheffield United clearly, but it's not like Dyche is the first manager to use him wide instead. We've had plenty of players in the past who have been moved around to try to get the best out of them, and most attacking players these days don't have an 'actual position' I don't think. I'd like to see him tried in the 10 myself, but I'm not so sure of my own footballing knowledge that i'd go out on a limb saying he would clearly be better there. I'd like to find out, but I accept that I might be wrong.
 
Marius57 said:
Has anyone said he is really bad on the left? Or just that he would be even better (and likely the best option we have) to play centrally as a number 10 (which is his actual position)?
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By the level of wet boxers, you wouldn’t necessarily think people are happy. Clearly people are unhappy with something broken.
Curtis said:
For me i don't consider him terrible on the left, it's that he gets isolated and is unable to drive with the ball when he positioned centrally which affects not only his influence on the game, but disrupts the entire rhythm and balance of any attack. Since mcneil can operate centrally for limited spans of time, he cannot fulfill that role the entire game as he can't carry the ball in the same way ndiaye is able to, since he's so one footed and his lack of pace becomes more evident in that position. So I perceive it as ndiaye not being able thrive at best position which becomes a detriment to the team in general
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I think the lack of decent full backs doesn't help mate, also think DCL makes very hard work of some good stuff he creates, i think hes very influentiail in there and i think he hurts.

Im open minded on 10, he could for sure play there, but we all also know playing at 10 you get heat from defensive midfielders and central defenders, while on the flank, you have a full back and then a centre back if they needs to come across. I understand the logic to be honest, i dont think its wild to think, why dont you put your most dangerous player where they would get less heat.
 
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Lanolin said:
I'm not sure i'd say it's his 'actual position', he played well there for Sheffield United clearly, but it's not like Dyche is the first manager to use him wide instead. We've had plenty of players in the past who have been moved around to try to get the best out of them, and most attacking players these days don't have an 'actual position' I don't think. I'd like to see him tried in the 10 myself, but I'm not so sure of my own footballing knowledge that i'd go out on a limb saying he would clearly be better there. I'd like to find out, but I accept that I might be wrong.
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Even playing with a 10 now - is actually a bit out dated.
 

TimHowardsBeardJuice said:
Silva pretty much had to go after we got tonked in the derby, but he’s the one that got away. I’d have him back in a second, not that he’d leave where he is for us.
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I think everybody agreed that he had to go when he did, with hindsight we were probably wrong. As ever though, some were more wrong than others. Some backed him up until around the time of the derby, whilst others were on his case in September or earlier, when we were joint 4th in the formative league table no less!
 
John from Bootle said:
I think everybody agreed that he had to go when he did, with hindsight we were probably wrong. As ever though, some were more wrong than others. Some backed him up until around the time of the derby, whilst others were on his case in September or earlier, when we were joint 4th in the formative league table no less!
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In all seriousness there were people who wanted Silva out within about a month of him starting, and quite a sizeable number by Christmas in his first season. I'm pretty sure we already had a poll on here pre-christmas about him getting sacked. If I remember rightly one of the main reasons being that he wasn't playing Iwobi as a 10 which was so obviously the right place to play him.
 
Lanolin said:
If I remember rightly one of the main reasons being that he wasn't playing Iwobi as a 10 which was so obviously the right place to play him.
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I don't think you remember correctly, given how Iwobi and Silva were with us for about 10 (mostly dreadful) games - Lampard faced a bit more flak for it* I think and Iwobi himself had a mini-feud with Ancelotti about his position randomly, but he was mostly dreadful for us.

Also the loudest criticism for this was and always will be @TheBigIguana I think, so you more or less fell for that discussion being brought up on here every day or two. Outside of Big Iggo, the biggest critic of "where Iwobi is being played" was Iwobi.

* EDIT: In that Lampard team Iwobi was genuinely better through the middle imho, but it honestly means nothing as it was another dreadful period.
 
DualityNSNO said:
I don't think you remember correctly, given how Iwobi and Silva were with us for about 10 (mostly dreadful) games - Lampard faced a bit more flak for it* I think and Iwobi himself had a mini-feud with Ancelotti about his position randomly, but he was mostly dreadful for us.

Also the loudest criticism for this was and always will be @TheBigIguana I think, so you more or less fell for that discussion being brought up on here every day or two. Outside of Big Iggo, the biggest critic of "where Iwobi is being played" was Iwobi.

* EDIT: In that Lampard team Iwobi was genuinely better through the middle imho, but it honestly means nothing as it was another dreadful period.
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I was remembering wrongly because Iwobi signed after Silva's first season so the timing was wrong, but I can assure you that LOTS of people were saying Iwobi was a number 10 in his first season here, feel free to check the vaults yourself but it was absolutely rife. He was quite good at times in the middle under Lampard but that wasn't as a 10 anyway it was deeper.
 

Lanolin said:
I was remembering wrongly because Iwobi signed after Silva's first season so the timing was wrong, but I can assure you that LOTS of people were saying Iwobi was a number 10 in his first season here, feel free to check the vaults yourself but it was absolutely rife. He was quite good at times in the middle under Lampard but that wasn't as a 10 anyway it was deeper.
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I don't think I'll waste time on looking up Iwobi facts to be honest, I'll trust you on this, just don't personally remember it ever being a shout past "try it", which he did a few times and Wobes was equally himself there too :lol: Just don't think it was a huge factor - more so the fact we were looking as poor as we are now and just got destroyed in the Derby.

He was tried as an attacking and (as you said) CM but he's just a very, very average forward-player who cannot keep the ball 90% of the time and has no spatial awareness, which makes him a poor player through the middle.
 
JLW said:
He was talking about Ndiaye as a number 10 and the main focus was defending and "blocking passing lanes" No Sean the main focus for a number 10 is to create chances for the striker and let the opposition think about you and how they will stop you.

I never listen to his pressers im sorry i did now, who is "everyone" when he says they keep telling him to play Ndiaye as the number 10?
I havent heard pundits or journos asking this.
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I wondered this too. I hope he's lurking on here somewhere. If you are, Sean, I hate everything about you and your "football" is like watching the corpse of a beloved family pet slowly decomposing, equal parts distressing and boring.
 
GrandOldSte117 said:
Tbf, goodison doesn't respond to possession. Goodison responds to aggressive pressing, hard tackles and effort. That doesn't really scream 75% possession
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Hang on, are the fans idiots because they want a progressive "hipster" manager and have unrealistic expectations about style of play or are the fans idiots because they don't want possession football and want a simplistic hard tackling effort based system? Just want to be sure what we're using as a deflection from Dycheball this week.
 

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