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2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

MrGrumpy said:
Dacoure was offside, we had a lot of luck, both OGs could have missed and the deflection could have gone wide. Only clean goal was the free kick.
DCLs always misses 1 on 1s
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Just sounds like you’re looking for the negative. We created a lot of chances and put 4 of them away. That’s it.

Beto could have scored v Southampton and Bournemouth could have missed their chances and we’d be sat here on 20 points level with United and Newcastle. ‘Could haves’ don’t only work in the negative aspect.

All that matters is what did happen on the scoresheet. Everton 4 Wolves 0.
 
John from Bootle said:
Were you saying the same thing when Duran hit a once in a lifetime winner? Were you saying we/the manager were unlucky when Dom missed sitters early on? No? Can hardly say we were lucky coz Wolves missed one then...

Of course we're doing the same things, that's his MO. He believes it will grind out enough points and that's why we appointed him.

Don't worry though, it's duly noted that every time one of our players misses a big chance that you will say "it was pure luck/chance" and absolve the manager of any blame.
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The hell are you on about?

You're saying it was skill on our side, or preparation, or tactics, that their forward missed sitters by kicking the ground? No, it's luck for us and he did poorly, just like Dom did/does/has been doing for a while now.

"it's the players fault" has been used by you Dychettes for about 2 years now - all the players were poor or not good enough to kick a ball and it had nothing to do with Dyche obviouly - nothing to do with me if it's been your favourite play. Along with xG when it was favourable. Then the same players moved teams to ones that play football and were instantly better, shocking.

He's doing the same things and losing points too, or are we ignoring that, 'because it's his MO'? We appointed him to grind out points and avoid relegation when we fired Lampard, true, but we closed our eyes to him dragging us to a relegation battle the year after because "how can he improve" (4 months of no win btw), we've improved the team and he's still dragging us to a relegation fight doing the same thing over and over and it's... still not him. OK. "His MO" is this level - fight relegation. If not in a relegation fight, put yourself in one, and go again. Oh yeah, but also he was about to show us how much he's improved as a manager now that he's not with Burnley, or at least that's what people were saying. Odd how it didn't happen and never will.

And yes, it was quite a lot of luck/chance involved - Doucoure missed horrendously before the play was pulled back for the fantastic free kick by Young; DCL existed around both hilarious own goals; in return we also got unlucky with the ref for the disallowed goals. Or was it skill that they scored 2 own goals and that was the plan all along? Any other day and this game is quite a lot more open - if we concede first, which was a possibility in the literal first minutes, it's nerves and shakes even if we equalise but we'll crap our pants and lose, everyone knows this.

Also wish he would change his MO to "be adaptive and try to win occasionally or at least have a plan B" instead of having it as "only be negative and play for a draw ALL THE TIME, route 1 Dycheball only, blame everyone else", but here we are.

It's okay to be like this though as we're only playing the strongest teams in the next month or so and it's a real possibility we'll be on less than 1 point per game by New Year.
 
Billy Dean said:
xG is important now?
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Well, our own manager likes to quote it on occasion, no?

Seems as good a measure as any when it comes to being objective about gaining some insight into the question of how much fortune is involved in this or that match.

By contrast, when the tonking went the other way at Old Trafford, it seems we were a little unfortunate in the scoreline if not the result:

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Saint Domingo said:
Just sounds like you’re looking for the negative. We created a lot of chances and put 4 of them away. That’s it.

Beto could have scored v Southampton and Bournemouth could have missed their chances and we’d be sat here on 20 points level with United and Newcastle. ‘Could haves’ don’t only work in the negative aspect.

All that matters is what did happen on the scoresheet. Everton 4 Wolves 0.
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He is. He's Mr. Grumpy. It's a nominative determination.

You want happy, I'm your man. But on this occasion I'm in unity with my Boi ! 😉
 
st.domingo said:
xG finished 1-1 my dudes
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Said it before the last I relational break our XG has been worrying low and then we didn’t score last month.

A lot went our way on Weds.

Still think we out poor in our forward positions, on top of that I think the team melt under the pressure psychologically of scoring.

Look a different team when that pressure is lifted.
 
DualityNSNO said:
The hell are you on about?

You're saying it was skill on our side, or preparation, or tactics, that their forward missed sitters by kicking the ground? No, it's luck for us and he did poorly, just like Dom did/does/has been doing for a while now.

"it's the players fault" has been used by you Dychettes for about 2 years now - all the players were poor or not good enough to kick a ball and it had nothing to do with Dyche obviouly - nothing to do with me if it's been your favourite play. Along with xG when it was favourable. Then the same players moved teams to ones that play football and were instantly better, shocking.

He's doing the same things and losing points too, or are we ignoring that, 'because it's his MO'? We appointed him to grind out points and avoid relegation when we fired Lampard, true, but we closed our eyes to him dragging us to a relegation battle the year after because "how can he improve" (4 months of no win btw), we've improved the team and he's still dragging us to a relegation fight doing the same thing over and over and it's... still not him. OK. "His MO" is this level - fight relegation. If not in a relegation fight, put yourself in one, and go again. Oh yeah, but also he was about to show us how much he's improved as a manager now that he's not with Burnley, or at least that's what people were saying. Odd how it didn't happen and never will.

And yes, it was quite a lot of luck/chance involved - Doucoure missed horrendously before the play was pulled back for the fantastic free kick by Young; DCL existed around both hilarious own goals; in return we also got unlucky with the ref for the disallowed goals. Or was it skill that they scored 2 own goals and that was the plan all along? Any other day and this game is quite a lot more open - if we concede first, which was a possibility in the literal first minutes, it's nerves and shakes even if we equalise but we'll crap our pants and lose, everyone knows this.

Also wish he would change his MO to "be adaptive and try to win occasionally or at least have a plan B" instead of having it as "only be negative and play for a draw ALL THE TIME, route 1 Dycheball only, blame everyone else", but here we are.

It's okay to be like this though as we're only playing the strongest teams in the next month or so and it's a real possibility we'll be on less than 1 point per game by New Year.
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Yeah, if but but. As @Saint Domingo said. We can equally apply that to instances where things have gone against us. I’ve never once said all the players are crap btw. Just think the squad is lacking in key areas/attributes.

Did it matter that United didn’t deserve to win 4-0 without the players ballsing up? You know, if Branthwaite doesn’t stick a leg out, Jordan possibly saves the first. Didn’t hear much sympathy for the manager when that happened. If Beto scores V saints we probably win that one. If, but, if but. Give over.
 


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