2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Neiler]

To be honest 1.05 goals per game was also very poor .
Lowest on that list to be precise.

I’m record as saying we’ve a poor attacking unit mate, we have an option of signing better attackers now, we have to take it.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

It’s a combination of a lot of things mate, Onana i think is missed for the reasons I’ve said. Also feel we missed him and Garner in the press, shape and in the hole protecting in front of the back four, retaining possession and progressing through the lines early season, we conceded a lot of goals. Dyche then over compensated in my opinion, completely shored up the central Chanel, the attacking balance disintegrated and we stopped scoring goals, despite also stopping conceding in the main. We’ve never recovered or struck that balance. Also feel we missed Onana in the box, we’ve conceded far more with crosses and set peices this year, which has led to some losses.

The contract situation is also an issue in my opinion. The only attackers we have in contract next year are our most productive, creative and to be frank motivated McNeiill and Illy.

All margins that add to it in my opinion.

I said at the time of his appointment that appointing manager , whose entire modus operandi was low scoring teams, and expect him to improve a low scoring team was entirely counter-intuitive and wrong headed.
Yet here we are two years later 1 point away from the regation zone scoring less than a goal a match .
Not remotely surprising.

 

[NathDogg]

In the Guardian today:

Ndiaye is someone thriving under Dyche’s tutelage, perhaps unexpectedly, and watching him shield the ball 25 yards from his own goal, hold off a defender, then spin past two more to create a smart breakaway was a joy. In such a moment you can see how Dyche wants his team to play with the ball and how it can incorporate technical players. Dyche says the final pass is the issue and has asked for time. But with Everton once again looking over their shoulders at the relegation places, time is in even shorter supply than usual. The January transfer window feels critical.
Paul MacInnes

Worth a discussion.. Not convinced by much of this tbh

Obviously need to make changes in Jan!

Did Garry Birtles write that absolute twaddle…..

 

[Toffeepot]

I’m record as saying we’ve a poor attacking unit mate, we have an option of signing better attackers now, we have to take it.

Don't see much point under dyche tbh

 

[johnjoeefc]

I’m record as saying we’ve a poor attacking unit mate, we have an option of signing better attackers now, we have to take it.

I think some of our attacking players are fine though. They are just stifled. Mcneil, dcl and ndiaye could work in a good attacking side if assisted with good attacking full backs and another good winger. If we could get some players in to help them then we would be fine and that's with Dyche or without .

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

Lies.

If only there was a dedicated thread for you and @chicoazul to resolve your differences.


Dyche out.

 

[Clarky cat]

I’m record as saying we’ve a poor attacking unit mate, we have an option of signing better attackers now, we have to take it.

Better players are needed, absolutely, but they’re not coming to this club with a manager who will convert them into fullbacks. There are a few that hate him, players talk and meet up outside of club games and lots of potential players will know exactly what type of man manager and tactical eunuch he is.
If any do decide to sign they won’t see the pitch for a month because they won’t be “fit” or “experienced”, his favourites will be though…

 

[ToffeeTim]

But it was response to a point made - does the manager have the ability to manage, to score more goals if we signed better attackers….

There is a short answer to that question

No

 

[Neiler]

I said at the time of his appointment that appointing manager , whose entire modus operandi was low scoring teams, and expect him to improve a low scoring team was entirely counter-intuitive and wrong headed.
Yet here we are two years later 1 point away from the regation zone scoring less than a goal a match .
Not remotely surprising.

There’s a bit of truth in that mate, at the time we appointed him, to play %s, be pragmatic and try get results - which he has.

But now we’re bored of playing %s, being pragmatic and trying to get results.

I mean what did we expect to happen, me and you both knew what we were getting.

I don’t think the above in the context of also selling your better sellable players and replacing them with worse ones, while everyone else’s contract runs down to 0 is a recipe, to provide a foundation to improve the philosphey either.

The margins are broad, but collectively many of them are catching up with us.

 

[Ruairi77]

Pat Nevin on Irish radio now saying Everton should 100% keep Dyche. They'd be mad to fire him.
Wonder if there's an undercurrent of pros and people in the game advising TFG to keep him

 

[JLW]

I think some of our attacking players are fine though. They are just stifled. Mcneil, dcl and ndiaye could work in a good attacking side if assisted with good attacking full backs and another good winger. If we could get some players in to help them then we would be fine and that's with Dyche or without .

You was going so well until you said “with Dyche”

He is stifling the team, I don’t care if we had Elanga and Mitoma on each wing everything would be exactly the same.

If Forest were managed by Dyche this season they would be in a relegation battle.
So would Fulham
Brentford
Brighton
Bournemouth

 

[Neiler]

Better players are needed, absolutely but they’re not coming to this club with a manager who will convert them into fullbacks. If any do decide to sign they won’t see the pitch for a month because they won’t be “fit” or “experienced”

To be frank I think you’d have to be off your bin or desperate to come here as a new manager here at the moment to mate.

Any one worth having isn’t walking into this mess until the summer in my opinion, so essentially your looking at the equivalent of a Maupay manager - let’s say Potter or an Ashley Young - let’s say Moyes.

100% think TFG are aware of all but the alternatives aren’t great, which is stopping them pulling the trigger.

 

[Clarky cat]

To be frank I think you’d have to be off your bin or desperate to come here as a new manager here at the moment to.

Any one worth having isn’t walking into this mess until the summer in my opinion, so essentially your looking at the equivalent of a Maupay manager - let’s say Potter or a Ashley Young - let’s say Moyes.

4d chess from Dyche.

 

[MikeH72]

Pat Nevin on Irish radio now saying Everton should 100% keep Dyche. They'd be mad to fire him.
Wonder if there's an undercurrent of pros and people in the game advising TFG to keep him

There’s a reason these people don’t work in football in any meaningful capacity, because they’re absolutely clueless. If our owners are taking advice from Pat Nevin I’ll be seriously alarmed.

 

[ForeverEverton]

Dyche hasn`t been sacked and will still be here for the forseeable...