2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Nymzee]

Here he is. Cult leader.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

The dichotomy doesn’t exist. Dyche laid the foundations, Moyes is now building the house. Bizarrely lots of Everton fans actually back whoever the manager at the time is and therefore don’t need to be on either side of a binary choice that is fabricated and doesn’t exist.

@MikeH72

What did I say?

 

[ArtetaMoney]

He did us good service under atrocious circumstances which I will remember.

He was also sacked at the right moment. I am absolutely glad he was.

The two opinions can coexist without any conflict.

Fully agree with this.

 

[Toffeepot]

Needs context that bold, really. And not really pitiful table finishes.

He arrived with us in 19th. Make no apology for reminding folk it was with our lowest ever points total at that stage of the season in our entire history. Kept us up.

He had one full season. A season of point deductions and absolute chaos, earned enough points to finish 12th. 22 points clear - incredible progress on the 2 seasons before that, then when we'd relied on the final home game of the season.

If he'd left last summer, then what an effort that was...

Wheels come off this season, small margins went against him and war time was coming to an end under new owners. No one would have thought we'd finish last season so strongly, we were in a scrap going into April. Mid April, and I'm one of the optimistic shouts here;



The only manager in recent years who left the club with us in a better position than when he started.

The hatred and anger I find really odd.

This team will still be 12th-17th next season, we need to spend big money this summer to really kick on.



I think we have to move on from thinking anyone deserves anything at Everton.

Dyche himself said on being appointed he shouldn't be Everton's manager, and wouldn't under usual circumstances.

Those circumstances he subsequently worked under are why he deserves a lot of credit for what he did.

If Everton weren't a circus, Dyche should have been sacked after Bournemouth. And last season.

No team with aspirations looks to progress and genuinely compete with Sean Dyche.

But I'll always think the fella did a tremendous job keeping us up.

No hatred
No anger
Just don't think he deserves smoke blown up his hole

Two things I respect most about him:

How he handled Dom's injury
How he handled the points deduction

We were still dependent on unusual moments elsewhere for survival such as pickfordnpen save, pope worldie save, doucs screamer etc.

He got well rewarded far more handsomely for the level he reinforced we were at than he should have and more power to him and his agent for that, but he's not done anything remarkable imo

 

[Neiler]

Needs context that bold, really. And not really pitiful table finishes.

He arrived with us in 19th. Make no apology for reminding folk it was with our lowest ever points total at that stage of the season in our entire history. Kept us up.

He had one full season. A season of point deductions and absolute chaos, earned enough points to finish 12th. 22 points clear - incredible progress on the 2 seasons before that, then when we'd relied on the final home game of the season.

If he'd left last summer, then what an effort that was...

Wheels come off this season, small margins went against him and war time was coming to an end under new owners. No one would have thought we'd finish last season so strongly, we were in a scrap going into April. Mid April, and I'm one of the optimistic shouts here;



The only manager in recent years who left the club with us in a better position than when he started.

The hatred and anger I find really odd.

This team will still be 12th-17th next season, we need to spend big money this summer to really kick on.



I think we have to move on from thinking anyone deserves anything at Everton.

Dyche himself said on being appointed he shouldn't be Everton's manager, and wouldn't under usual circumstances.

Those circumstances he subsequently worked under are why he deserves a lot of credit for what he did.

If Everton weren't a circus, Dyche should have been sacked after Bournemouth. And last season.

No team with aspirations looks to progress and genuinely compete with Sean Dyche.

But I'll always think the fella did a tremendous job keeping us up.

I think we move on from it now in a more stable and guilded position now that we are stable. But as i also said above, we were a different unstable club a few short months ago and that was Dyches context.

In all honesty I dont think Moyes looks at us twice without the stability TFG have brought coming in, Dyche didn't have that - nor was there many banging down the door to come in to take what he may felt - deserving a shot at it when we were a skip fire.

Personally speaking i think he deserved a crack at it this year based on the job he did in 18 months and context.

He failed the auditition for sure, if im honest, - everyone seems a winner, him and the club. Its a relatively happy outcome.

Dont know why people get so vexed.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

You were very critical of anyone advocating change. You ridiculed the idea. And yet very clearly, it is what we needed.

No matter how much screaming and shouting - that change was never happening until new owners were in place.

 

[hippopotamus]

The dichotomy doesn’t exist. Dyche laid the foundations, Moyes is now building the house. Bizarrely lots of Everton fans actually back whoever the manager at the time is and therefore don’t need to be on either side of a binary choice that is fabricated and doesn’t exist.

You forget Lampard mate. Big Frank laid the foundations, Sean built the house. Moyes just covered the roof and took all the glory.

 

[Iana]

Benitez’s Bums.

 

[Saint Domingo]

@MikeH72

What did I say?

It’s true though. Horses for courses.

Relegation scrap on no money and points deductions. You think a manager of Moyes’ calibre is touching that in Jan 23? Dyche did the job.

Want to move up the table with better finances and a squad in a better position? Moyes is your man.

There’ll hopefully come a time when we’re having arguments about whether Moyes is the man to take us from Europe league to champions league. It could end up being the job for someone else but he wouldn’t have wanted to take the job as it is now with what lies ahead over next few seasons.

Horses for courses.

 

[Toffeepot]

You forget Lampard mate. Big Frank laid the foundations, Sean built the house. Moyes just covered the roof and took all the glory.

Benitez dug the hole though

Credit where its due

 

[Charles Hawtrey]

Were Dyche capable of doing what Moyes has done in the last five games , he would have done it. By his own admission he could not, and by all our collective observations he could not. Its not his fault - he is a rigid manager who's tactics will get 2 wins out of 10 tries , which is good enough if you are in a relegation scrap. But that will not get you up the table.
Like many managers he is not flexible in his approach based on the resources available. I dont dislike him for it, everyone has their limitations.

 

[canuckblue]

Were Dyche capable of doing what Moyes has done in the last five games , he would have done it. By his own admission he could not, and by all our collective observations he could not. Its not his fault - he is a rigid manager who's tactics will get 2 wins out of 10 tries , which is good enough if you are in a relegation scrap. But that will not get you up the table.
Like many managers he is not flexible in his approach based on the resources available. I dont dislike him for it, everyone has their limitations.

A man's got to know his limitations.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

No hatred
No anger
Just don't think he deserves smoke blown up his hole

Two things I respect most about him:

How he handled Dom's injury
How he handled the points deduction

We were still dependent on unusual moments elsewhere for survival such as pickfordnpen save, pope worldie save, doucs screamer etc.

He got well rewarded far more handsomely for the level he reinforced we were at than he should have and more power to him and his agent for that, but he's not done anything remarkable imo

There's a lot of hatred towards him in this thread. Someone was saying only the other day they hate him more than any other manager. I find it really odd. Yeah going the game was grim under him, nevermind running an Everton fan site/forum but hate? Not for me.

Only once I've felt we were down, it was prior him coming in.

If someone would have told me after Crystal Palace, or Bournemouth we wouldn't investment in the squad, and of the point deductions that were coming - I'd have snapped hands off just to get to Bramley a PL team.

I think we move on from it now in a more stable and guilded position now that we are stable. But as i also said above, we were a different unstable club a few short months ago and that was Dyches context.

In all honesty I dont think Moyes looks at us twice without the stability TFG have brought coming in, Dyche didn't have that - nor was there many banging down the door to come in to take what he may felt was deserving a shot at it when we were a skip fire.

Personally speaking i think he deserved a crack at it this year based on the job he did in 18 months and context.

Yeah thats what I mean, but now we can move on from a mentality of any manager deserving a go to the owners aiming to have the very best they can get.
I'd have wanted Dyche gone after Bournemouth if we weren't a basketcase. Similar to how I wanted Allardyce gone. There's better managers out there.

Agree, the likes of Moyes wouldn't have entertained us prior ownership being resolved. That an PSR was a state of paralysis, all about getting to this summer.

 

[Toffeepot]

There's a lot of hatred towards him in this thread. Someone was saying only the other day they hate him more than any other manager. I find it really odd. Yeah going the game was grim under him, nevermind running an Everton fan site/forum but hate? Not for me.

Only once I've felt we were down, it was prior him coming in.

If someone would have told me after Crystal Palace, or Bournemouth we wouldn't investment in the squad, and of the point deductions that were coming - I'd have snapped hands off just to get to Bramley a PL team.



Yeah thats what I mean, but now we can move on from a mentality of any manager deserving a go to the owners aiming to have the very best they can get.
I'd have wanted Dyche gone after Bournemouth if we weren't a basketcase. Similar to how I wanted Allardyce gone. There's better managers out there.

Agree, the likes of Moyes wouldn't have entertained us prior ownership being resolved. That an PSR was a state of paralysis, all about getting to this summer.

I find it odd anyone hating the man too, he doesn't deserve that at all.
I hated his brand of football though, and it clearly wasn't a necessary evil either.

 

[TheBigIguana]

He did us good service under atrocious circumstances which I will remember.

He was also sacked at the right moment. I am absolutely glad he was.

The two opinions can coexist without any conflict.

Nah the right moment to sack him was every single second after he was hired, but even if we’re going to buy into the belief that he was “necessary” at the point we were at after Lampard he should’ve gone at the sound of the final whistle against Bournemouth.

It was always going to go exactly how it went! He was managing Burnley for an entire decade and it was always the same. The idea that he was going to wake up playing anything better than he did here was beyond naive and had, and I can’t stress this enough, absolutely nothing to do with any of the circumstances around our finances or anything else with the club.