2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

That’s been the criteria under Moshiri his entire time here. If Dyche loses a lot of games and the dressing room looks gone then he’ll be fired. If he wins 3 and draws 2 out the next 7 though he’s probably not being fired is he.

Unless Friedkin takes over in the interim and puts his new man in place regardless.

I think the main thing is to have a date and a points total in mind

Arguably we need to be as close to 20 points as possible by the 18th game

If we’re in the vicinity or higher, then his position should be relatively safe

If we’re miles off then I see no reason why we shouldn’t be assessing his position

Saying we have to give him the whole season before making an opinion on his suitability for the role is shortsighted at best and imbecilic at worst imo

 

[Neiler]

I think the main thing is to have a date and a points total in mind

Arguably we need to be as close to 20 points as possible by the 18th game

If we’re in the vicinity or higher, then his position should be relatively safe

If we’re miles off then I see no reason why we shouldn’t be assessing his position

Saying we have to give him the whole season before making an opinion on his suitability for the role is shortsighted at best and imbecilic at worst imo

We’re in exactly the same position on exactly the same number of points as last season, by our 18th game we had 18 points, less 6 so 24 really.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I think the main thing is to have a date and a points total in mind

Arguably we need to be as close to 20 points as possible by the 18th game

If we’re in the vicinity or higher, then his position should be relatively safe

If we’re miles off then I see no reason why we shouldn’t be assessing his position

Saying we have to give him the whole season before making an opinion on his suitability for the role is shortsighted at best and imbecilic at worst imo

Obviously if someone is tanking us into the championship you don’t have to wait for the whole season. I would have thought that would be so obvious it wouldn’t need to be said.

 

[Lob]

We won 4 in a row once last season with a worse squad so why can’t it be done?

Oh sorry I forgot we need to talk ourselves into being the worst team in the league to make the manager look better.

Exactly this. Have seen it posted many times about how crap our team is and no other manager could do better and it is complete and utter codswallop just to try and justify Dyche and make him look better. There has been short spells in every game this season where the team have shown they can play much better but it never lasts very long game because they are being very badly coached by a really poor manager who wants everyone to believe he is saviour for keeping us up. This team is capable of being nowhere near the relegation zone if they were coached properly.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

We’re in exactly the same position on exactly the same number of points as last season, by our 18th game we had 18 points, less 6 so 24 really.

If we’re on 18 points after 18 games then that’s not a terrible return

My attitude towards Dyche is very simple

I don’t care about the football, the tactics, his personality, any of it

I just want results

If he’s getting them then fine

If he isn’t and it doesn’t look like he will get them anytime soon, then I’ve got zero issue booting him

I see no reason to give him a whole season if he’s excreting the bed when he’s halfway through

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Obviously if someone is tanking us into the championship you don’t have to wait for the whole season. I would have thought that would be so obvious it wouldn’t need to be said.

Certainly not how your OP read

“Maybe just wait and see what happens over the whole season rather than just picking arbitrary samples of games.”

At one point does arbitrary become an actual trend in your scenario?

 

[nsno-chris]

Oh good, we’re lowering our standards even further

Kenwright really has done a number on our fanbase

 

[chicoazul]

12 points from 7 games isn’t it? I hope as much anyone else we can suddenly find top 6 form for 7 games but considering we’ve reached 65 points or over twice in our entire PL existence (including 42 game seasons) I wouldn’t be putting my mortgage on this current squad suddenly doing it as a minimum expectation. If someone says it in a dead loud voice though then maybe the team will suddenly do it. NO EXCUSES

He’s got to pick up points in the kinder runs of games as there’s a couple of horrendous periods where you know we will probably struggle. Nearly a fully fit squad now too which should help. This sounds mad typing this as we’ve had a hideous start to the season but the attack looks promising, there’s more about it this season, gotta get them points though. Everton need to start a new stadium in the top flight to commercialise the stadium properly. Dyche has been dealt a bad hand but don’t think there’ll be any sentimentality if new owners come in and Everton are losing easier points.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Oh good, we’re lowering our standards even further

Kenwright really has done a number on our fanbase

I think most of us would accept that a boring lower mid table finish would hardly be something to celebrate, but considering how miserable things have been in recent years, we’d take it and hope Friedkin can improve things with a clean slate in the new stadium

 

[nsno-chris]

I think most of us would accept that a boring lower mid table finish would hardly be something to celebrate, but considering how miserable things have been in recent years, we’d take it and hope Friedkin can improve things with a clean slate in the new stadium

I think most of us would want us to push as much as we can each game rather than take the stance of “oh we started crap last year so it’s sound now”

Many businesses have failed always waiting for tomorrow

 

[Saint Domingo]

Certainly not how your OP read

“Maybe just wait and see what happens over the whole season rather than just picking arbitrary samples of games.”

At one point does arbitrary become an actual trend in your scenario?

Oh my apologies

Maybe just wait and see what happens over the whole season rather than just picking arbitrary samples of games. Unless we’re hurtling towards the championship in which case it’s fine to fire the manager the same way we have the majority of our previous managers.

That being said though you could literally pit that as a caveat to anything.

‘I’m going to back Friedkin’s choice as new manager next season and see how he does’ - now do I need to put the caveat of ‘unless we get relegated’ on this or is it just an obvious reality of any manger who loses a load of games?

 

[njligernj]

It would be nice to have a block feature which blocks everything to do with certain people. If I've blocked some troll because all they do is make the same argument over and over again, and the entire page of posts is people responding to the troll's same argument, have I really blocked that person? How can I escape these people dominating every single thread with the same argument? Blocking doesn't really help -- they're still dominating every page with the same thing.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I think most of us would want us to push as much as we can each game rather than take the stance of “oh we started crap last year so it’s sound now”

Many businesses have failed always waiting for tomorrow

If you want to be miserable every day of your life then that’s a fine way to live I guess

You can live in a panacea and never have reality match unrealistic expectations, or you can accept reality and make the best of it

We’re a mid-table team at best right now due to a litany of reasons that we can’t do anything about until Moshiri pushes off

That doesn’t give Dyche a get out of jail card, but it does mean that a 12th placed finish isn’t grounds to hang him in the city centre either

 

[Neiler]

If we’re on 18 points after 18 games then that’s not a terrible return

My attitude towards Dyche is very simple

I don’t care about the football, the tactics, his personality, any of it

I just want results

If he’s getting them then fine

If he isn’t and it doesn’t look like he will get them anytime soon, then I’ve got zero issue booting him

I see no reason to give him a whole season if he’s excreting the bed when he’s halfway through

My take has always been the welfare of the football club, there has been the biggest existential threat as far as I’m concerned in our history the last three seasons. Nothing else matters, bar the wellbeing of the club. Dyche has done an incredible job over a season and a half. The fact people now are hoping for and expecting, shows the progression.

Away from the above slightly, we need stability. That has been a huge problem at the club, a constant cycle, of building, upon, building on players that one of the 7 managers that was here for less or slightly more then a year decided they wanted with varying philosophies and skill sets, burning through wages and resources. Dyche has brought that stability.

Additionally the clubs identity was in the toilet, in a way it still is, but he’s managed a manure of a situation with dignity and hold respect of the footballing world because of it, that’s helped the club recover some of the PR manure show.

What he did with little, was incredible and when he does leave here he will be remembered warmly by Evertonians for the job he did, for that I’m certain. Doing what he did with the context he walked into, with the tools he was given, is outstanding.

Lastly I believe managers and clubs need something that isn’t easily given in the game time and faith - if you make a decision you back it, you give a manger a contract, let them do what they do and as that contract comes up for renewal you review - that what the club needed and that what’s going to go down, I’m delighted about that.

Is there a red line? Of course, that’s the industry - for me it’s where Lampard got to, heading South, after half a season, about to be cut off.

I’m full sure thst won’t happen, I’m not even the slightest bit concerned about relegation - unless there is another points deduction.

We’re developing a good competitive side, who as I’ve said - I expect to be 10th-12th.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Oh my apologies

Maybe just wait and see what happens over the whole season rather than just picking arbitrary samples of games. Unless we’re hurtling towards the championship in which case it’s fine to fire the manager the same way we have the majority of our previous managers.

That being said though you could literally pit that as a caveat to anything.

‘I’m going to back Friedkin’s choice as new manager next season and see how he does’ - now do I need to put the caveat of ‘unless we get relegated’ on this or is it just an obvious reality of any manger who loses a load of games?

I think being clear about what you’re saying is generally preferable in a discussion, yes

Caveats are important because our situation is such a layered and difficult one, so putting all of one’s cards on the table is preferable