2022/23 Sean Dyche

[Drico]

He absolutely isn’t, but people won’t listen. He’s a very good manager.

He is. As is Eddie Howe. But people get sniffy at English managers working minor and sometimes major miracles at small or unfashionable clubs. Dyche and Howe were both legitimate options for Everton for a number of managerial vacancies now. But fashion sometimes dictated that inferior alternatives with better PR got the nod instead.

People seem to want stardust rather than hard graft, playing achievements rather than managerial achievements. And they denigrate managerial achievements to elevate the PR option in any comparison of virtues. Hence, we got Lampard instead of the other two.

It's just a pity we've left it this late - arguably too late - to see sense.

 

[Neiler]

He is. As is Eddie Howe. But people get sniffy at English managers working minor and sometimes major miracles at small or unfashionable clubs. Dyche and Howe were both legitimate options for Everton for a number of managerial vacancies now. But fashion sometimes dictated that inferior alternatives with better PR got the nod instead.

People seem to want stardust rather than hard graft, playing achievements rather than managerial achievements. And they denigrate managerial achievements to elevate the PR option in any comparison of virtues. Hence, we got Lampard instead of the other two.

It's just a pity we've left it this late - arguably too late - to see sense.

Great post mate - all of this.

 

[CielosGrises]

Hope people can keep level heads if we lose the derby at theirs - main thing is staying up.

 

[MikeH72]

He is. As is Eddie Howe. But people get sniffy at English managers working minor and sometimes major miracles at small or unfashionable clubs. Dyche and Howe were both legitimate options for Everton for a number of managerial vacancies now. But fashion sometimes dictated that inferior alternatives with better PR got the nod instead.

People seem to want stardust rather than hard graft, playing achievements rather than managerial achievements. And they denigrate managerial achievements to elevate the PR option in any comparison of virtues. Hence, we got Lampard instead of the other two.

It's just a pity we've left it this late - arguably too late - to see sense.

Unfortunately that people is our owner.

 

[toffeeblue9]

He is. As is Eddie Howe. But people get sniffy at English managers working minor and sometimes major miracles at small or unfashionable clubs. Dyche and Howe were both legitimate options for Everton for a number of managerial vacancies now. But fashion sometimes dictated that inferior alternatives with better PR got the nod instead.

People seem to want stardust rather than hard graft, playing achievements rather than managerial achievements. And they denigrate managerial achievements to elevate the PR option in any comparison of virtues. Hence, we got Lampard instead of the other two.

It's just a pity we've left it this late - arguably too late - to see sense.

The Lampard appointment was nonsensical - said so at the time and made myself really unpopular on Twitter in particular. He had no track record whatsoever at improving a side, which was exactly what we needed and the underlying data (xG etc) at both derby and Chelsea was at best conflicting. Of course you want to give everyone a fair crack of the whip and as long as we stayed up last season I think everything was largely forgiven, but it didn't take long this season to realise that we were badly, badly flawed from a coaching perspective. The underlying data basically predicted what was about to come even though the early results weren't *that* bad.

On Dyche, he absolutely wouldn't have been my first choice as (perhaps naively of me) I didn't (and still don't to a degree) see how he fits with a larger plan Thelwell has supposedly implemented across all the age groups at the club to implement a common approach and style of play. Having said that, of everyone who was linked he easily made the most sense in the short term and where my naivety really probably comes in is me prioritising the longer term plan of the club over the shorter term survival - without the short term survival, the longer term plan probably doesn't exist.

In a way the result and performance on Saturday didn't surprise me, it was pretty much (give or take a few details) what I'd have expected. The crux of it is though that I don't trust this group of players to keep us up under any manager, Dyche included, given their track record and allowing for that I still think another manager might have been better in the longer term. The two bits where I'll be delighted to be proven wrong are firstly keeping us up, if he manages that given where we were before he got here and the transfer window we had, the fella deserves a stand naming after him just for that alone. Then, moving past that, is he the sort of manager who can build something not just in the first team but fitting in with the overall wider strategy of the club - if he does that, I simply put my hands up and admit to ignorance about his abilities. FWIW the interviews I've gone back and watched reveal him to be more intelligent and open-minded about some things than I'd given him credit for, so there's every chance it really is just my ignorance. Proof's in the pudding though. Win on Monday night and I'll probably get on the Dyche bus and conveniently forget all of it.

 

[trueblue84]

Hope people can keep level heads if we lose the derby at theirs - main thing is staying up.

We beat the 1st place team in the league. That means we're now the best team. If we lose to the rs, dyche has to go. That's how it works, right?










*Obviously, I'm joking!

 

[davek]

 

[Drico]

Steak.chips

That's the new shirt sponsor - and the catering for the new stadium - sorted right there.

 

[Ruairi77]

He is. As is Eddie Howe. But people get sniffy at English managers working minor and sometimes major miracles at small or unfashionable clubs. Dyche and Howe were both legitimate options for Everton for a number of managerial vacancies now. But fashion sometimes dictated that inferior alternatives with better PR got the nod instead.

People seem to want stardust rather than hard graft, playing achievements rather than managerial achievements. And they denigrate managerial achievements to elevate the PR option in any comparison of virtues. Hence, we got Lampard instead of the other twIt's just a pity we've left it this late - arguably too late - to see sense.

all very valid.
I'd love the hard graft sprinkled with some stardust but I guess that comes in time.
Ancelotti got closest to it with James and Richie in the same team while the defense and midfield grafted.

 

[Ruairi77]

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Everton/Ian Woan/Josh Wink crossover...
What a time to be alive!

 

[andy4efc]

It's 2023 and im still seeing people on twitter pining for the justification of Tom Davies being a squad palyer and being 'Dyche ideal'

 

[Toffeelover]

It's 2023 and im still seeing people on twitter pining for the justification of Tom Davies being a squad palyer and being 'Dyche ideal'

Twitter is for twits.

 

[Eggs]

….interesting if contract talks change following Dyche’s appointment. Lots will be dependant on us staying up, but I wonder if he’ll support;

Iwobi getting a mega bucks new deal (I doubt he’ll view Iwobi in the same light as Lampard).
Trigger the Doucoure extension (Always thought this would happen, even more certain now).
Let Davies contract run down (I imagine Davies will be allowed to leave although it wouldn’t be a total surprise if offered a new deal).
Pickford getting a mega bucks new deal (if we stay up, I reckon he’d like to secure his future with us).

 

[allen]

Hope people can keep level heads if we lose the derby at theirs - main thing is staying up.

Defeat at Anfield is perennially priced in, I think.

It is a little different this time, purely because of where Liverpool find themselves - but I think we're all wily enough not to get carried away. It's the reds at Anfield. We know the script.

 

[xreyuk123]

We'll see how it goes with him, I wasn't very happy with his appointment but I had this idea that he wasn't a very good manager at Burnley. It was only when someone pointed out he got them into Europe and it was only really the last few years they went downhill when he had no investment.

I think he's got a chance of keeping us up but it seems a big job. If he somehow finishes midtable it just shows how bad Frank was.