2022/23 Sean Dyche

[BlueToff]

When we're talking about winning corners as a positive we're talking about something that isn't working sadly.

McNeil spent his whole career on the left. He's bad at it. I'd like to give him more than 10 games on the right, a place you yourself admitted he profiles to maybe be ok at, before deciding he has to do the thing he's absolutely awful at. That's all.

Otherwise just shut him out now and sell him soon or make him a fullback. It's not happening as a left sided attacker.

But it quite literally did work against Arsenal.

He has played on the right side plenty this season, and he's been awful.

He's played on the left plenty this season, and been awful, but his good moments have come from the left.

You can't play him 10 games on the right because he just doesn't offer anything from there right now, and when he's on the left he at least offers *something*

 

[TheBigIguana]

But it quite literally did work against Arsenal.

He has played on the right side plenty this season, and he's been awful.

He's played on the left plenty this season, and been awful, but his good moments have come from the left.

You can't play him 10 games on the right because he just doesn't offer anything from there right now, and when he's on the left he at least offers *something*

I think you're smarter than winning corners is good play if the corner ends up scoring. I mean I really do.

Getting your crosses blocked all the time isn't good.

 

[LucBesson]

That Arsenal game reminds me of the Chelsea game that Ferguson took charge of. It probably can't be a week to week plan because a lot of it was driven by a level of intensity that is hard to replicate.

Would love it if he could but an away derby feels like a place to not drop off and we definitely did.

To be fair, I don't think anybody disagrees with that - the comparisons were quite obvious. The difference between the two is that Dyche has a proven history of managing above expectations in the top flight. Let's give him a chance eh...

 

[BlueToff]

I think I've said this already but to me it's been 10 seasons until Dyche shows me he's going to look to build on what he's done in the past. I don't need to wait two seasons to draw a conclusion if we're Burnley in blue shirts.

It's been two games and we've taken 3 points.

If we manage to keep up a 50% win ratio over the next 16 games we'd be safe as houses, wouldn't we (we obviously will be hard-pushed to win half of our games).

Maybe Dyche can change his approach? We've not seen enough yet. Howe took 10 games without a win to get Newcastle going, and was backed with smart signings in his first window.

But right now, as sad as it is, it's probably a case of Dyche's approach being the one that suits the majority of this squad in terms of intensity, energy, application etc and focusing on the basics. It's not sustainable but right now we just need to find a way to get to safety in the next 16 matches. If he does that then in the summer we have the chance to see what we can do.

 

[BlueToff]

I think you're smarter than winning corners is good play if the corner ends up scoring. I mean I really do.

Getting your crosses blocked all the time isn't good.

But he doesn't even get crosses in from the right?

You watched that Brighton game, yeah? When he honestly turned in one of the worst performances I've ever seen both offensively and defensively? He was on the right in that.

Pretty sure he was also on the right in that 3-0 loss at Bournemouth.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I have an idea why that might be. Aside from Gray he gives the ball back to the opposition more than any other player in the squad, doing this in a wide area it's much easier to usher a player out for a throw in to break the play up and regroup. Do that in the middle of the pitch and it's potentially a whole different story.

This is such a negative take.

Yeah they give the ball away but they also make things happen. The players who give it away the most are always riskier, creative types. That just comes with the territory. If you want to score goals you have to take on that risk to some extent.

 

[Shibbywiggles]

I think you're smarter than winning corners is good play if the corner ends up scoring. I mean I really do.

Getting your crosses blocked all the time isn't good.

Why is this thread just constant you disagreeing with everyone? Have you ever considered you might not be right?

Also - McNeil crossing into the box with nobody in the box versus McNeil winning a corner where we can bring up Tarkowski and Coady? Tell me recent goal scoring opportunities from corners versus open play and you’ll see winning a corner is not the same as getting a cross blocked - quite often wingers will play the ball off the defender to win the set piece as it’s often the best option.

 

[LucBesson]

It's been two games and we've taken 3 points.

If we manage to keep up a 50% win ratio over the next 16 games we'd be safe as houses, wouldn't we (we obviously will be hard-pushed to win half of our games).

Maybe Dyche can change his approach? We've not seen enough yet. Howe took 10 games without a win to get Newcastle going, and was backed with smart signings in his first window.

But right now, as sad as it is, it's probably a case of Dyche's approach being the one that suits the majority of this squad in terms of intensity, energy, application etc and focusing on the basics. It's not sustainable but right now we just need to find a way to get to safety in the next 16 matches. If he does that then in the summer we have the chance to see what we can do.

I know Lampard was afforded the same luxury, but if Dyche keeps us up he 100% deserves the opportunity to stay on and build on it.

 

[TheBigIguana]

It's been two games and we've taken 3 points.

If we manage to keep up a 50% win ratio over the next 16 games we'd be safe as houses, wouldn't we (we obviously will be hard-pushed to win half of our games).

Maybe Dyche can change his approach? We've not seen enough yet. Howe took 10 games without a win to get Newcastle going, and was backed with smart signings in his first window.

But right now, as sad as it is, it's probably a case of Dyche's approach being the one that suits the majority of this squad in terms of intensity, energy, application etc and focusing on the basics. It's not sustainable but right now we just need to find a way to get to safety in the next 16 matches. If he does that then in the summer we have the chance to see what we can do.

This is almost to a t what we just did with Lampard.

 

[BlueToff]

This is almost to a t what we just did with Lampard.

The flipside is Dyche is a better manager than Lampard. There's no doubting that. And I do think he has the ability to play the way Everton teams should play - which is direct, intense and with a real purpose. That doesn't mean long ball. It means how we played against Arsenal, that kind of approach. That's Everton football.

However, it's going to take time, and right now the focus is finding a way to get the level of performance they showed against Arsenal and managing to eek a bit of quality out on top.

I don't think 100% Dyche is the man to sprinkle any quality on top but also he's working with attacking players who simply aren't very good or consisent or, in Dom's case, fit. But the issue is that would be the same for any manager who came in.

 

[TheBigIguana]

The flipside is Dyche is a better manager than Lampard. There's no doubting that. And I do think he has the ability to play the way Everton teams should play - which is direct, intense and with a real purpose. That doesn't mean long ball. It means how we played against Arsenal, that kind of approach. That's Everton football.

However, it's going to take time, and right now the focus is finding a way to get the level of performance they showed against Arsenal and managing to eek a bit of quality out on top.

I don't think 100% Dyche is the man to sprinkle any quality on top but also he's working with attacking players who simply aren't very good or consisent or, in Dom's case, fit. But the issue is that would be the same for any manager who came in.

Under Dyche it probably does mean longball though. I'd love for it to not, but I'm just not sure he's changing his stripes this far into his career. Against Arsenal was a lot of longball.

Dyche might be a better manager and he still will need to show he can actually make real progress for me to see giving him another year as prudent. Staying up is NOT good enough on its own.

 

[Leylo]

He's not harry Houdini, he will get us on the right path no matter the result tomorrow might not be pretty but I think he will sort us out.

 

[BlueToff]

Why is this thread just constant you disagreeing with everyone? Have you ever considered you might not be right?

Also - McNeil crossing into the box with nobody in the box versus McNeil winning a corner where we can bring up Tarkowski and Coady? Tell me recent goal scoring opportunities from corners versus open play and you’ll see winning a corner is not the same as getting a cross blocked - quite often wingers will play the ball off the defender to win the set piece as it’s often the best option.

Bar Gray's goal v Man City, every one of our league goals since the restart has been from a set-piece.

 

[BlueToff]

Under Dyche it probably does mean longball though. I'd love for it to not, but I'm just not sure he's changing his stripes this far into his career. Against Arsenal was a lot of longball.

Dyche might be a better manager and he still will need to show he can actually make real progress for me to see giving him another year as prudent. Staying up is NOT good enough on its own.

And it worked.

It won't work against every team so he has to adapt. It'd be easier to adapt with better players.

All I'm focused on is the next 16 games. He needs to keep us up.

I actually do think Dyche can take us forward but he'll need to show he's learned and changed in his year off. Like Howe has clearly done to an extent.

 

[TheBigIguana]

And it worked.

It won't work against every team so he has to adapt. It'd be easier to adapt with better players.

All I'm focused on is the next 16 games. He needs to keep us up.

I actually do think Dyche can take us forward but he'll need to show he's learned and changed in his year off. Like Howe has clearly done to an extent.

As I said we've come a long way without any signs that it'll happen. I mean he had a ton of time at Burnley to slowly change it and he chose not to. Now he's come here and done the same. Two games but it is the same. So we think he's going to spend the summer making wholesale changes that'll make it sustainable? Yeah I'm dubious.

Again he's a better manager than Frank but we did this exact thing with Frank. Keep us up and the summer we'll learn to play. It didn't happen. Yeah I'm jumping the gun on Dyche. I'm just really worried that we haven't learned because this stupid club never learns.