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2022/23 Sean Dyche

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The full backs are hopeless and offer nothing defensively or going forward. The wide players offer no creativity. The centre backs are slow and poor on the ball. The midfield is made up of players that can’t pass forwards. It’s definitely more than the forwards that are the issue.
Yes there are quite a few issues other than just what I mentioned, but what I’m saying is if we had one or two forward positions filled by just decent players, we would be in that 12th to 15th space. It doesn’t mean by any stretch that the rest of the team is great, it’s not. You mention forward passing and while I accept their passing is atrocious at times, equally there are times where there are no options to pass to in forward positions. This leaves us with where we are.
 
Again this isn't an "Iwobi is world class" so much as Iwobi has a few things he can do and we should be trying to get him into spots to do those things. The coaching matters.

He does try to pass forward I’ll give him that, however due to him having no finesse or idea how to weight a pass he seems to just launch everything into feet at 100mph which actually slows the attack down as the player receiving the pass always needs two touches to get it under control. I’m not sure if a coach can teach him these skills at age 26.
 

He does try to pass forward I’ll give him that, however due to him having no finesse or idea how to weight a pass he seems to just launch everything into feet at 100mph which actually slows the attack down as the player receiving the pass always needs two touches to get it under control. I’m not sure if a coach can teach him these skills at age 26.
You're exaggerating a little here but you're not wrong, his control is problematic which is why he isn't world class. However getting the ball up the field is vitally important so he should have full latitude to be in the spots that allow him to do it. Otherwise it just doesn't happen.

Even Dycheball will work a lot better just simply getting Iwobi off that forsaken right wing.
 
It's funny when teams like Brentford are used as an example. It is difficult to find an example of a more pragmatic team in all of Europe, together with Union Berlin. It is really just a further development of Charles Reep, Graham Taylor, Egil Drillo Olsen, Big Sam's philosophy, and within this philosophy you will also find Sean Dyche.
 
It's funny when teams like Brentford are used as an example. It is difficult to find an example of a more pragmatic team in all of Europe, together with Union Berlin. It is really just a further development of Charles Reep, Graham Taylor, Egil Drillo Olsen, Big Sam's philosophy, and within this philosophy you will also find Sean Dyche.
There's a level of flexibility in what Brentford does that Dyche has never shown.
 
Maybe if you need the best aerial dual winner in the PL to play to make the system work it isn't actually a working system?
It's literally two games ffs.

Having DCL as an option to actually work defenders both on the ground and in the air helps, yes. Maupay is a polar opposite player. He's also not very good.

But we also had this issue this season under Lampard. You just excuse that as complete incompetence because for some bizarre reason you think these players that have been involved in successive relegation battles (and some of the ones we signed were too) are decent footballers.
 

You're exaggerating a little here but you're not wrong, his control is problematic which is why he isn't world class. However getting the ball up the field is vitally important so he should have full latitude to be in the spots that allow him to do it. Otherwise it just doesn't happen.

Even Dycheball will work a lot better just simply getting Iwobi off that forsaken right wing.
Davies hasn't been playing central at Iwobi's expense, though. He came on for 20 mins in the derby when the game was lost - and he managed to miss a sitter, ironically set up by Iwobi from the right, even though you insist he can't play there.

It's funny that the vast majority of games Iwobi has performed well in for us has been from the right, even though you say he can't play there at all.

He's there to defend. He did it badly the other night. He's also a massive elephant in the room. He isn't great at all, yet he has to be in because he's the only player that creates. But he really just doesn't fit anywhere.

His best form at the start of the season came when he was playing CM in a 2 and getting loads of the ball. I'm not sure we can currently afford to play that way. It's not his fault, he'll work hard wherever he goes and has 1-2 chances in him a game so he has to play. But it's a problem.
 
It's literally two games ffs.

Having Dominic Calvert-Lewin as an option to actually work defenders both on the ground and in the air helps, yes. Maupay is a polar opposite player. He's also not very good.

But we also had this issue this season under Lampard. You just excuse that as complete incompetence because for some bizarre reason you think these players that have been involved in successive relegation battles (and some of the ones we signed were too) are decent footballers.
The reason would be that we've had the worst coaching in the league for the last two seasons.
 
Davies hasn't been playing central at Iwobi's expense, though. He came on for 20 mins in the derby when the game was lost - and he managed to miss a sitter, ironically set up by Iwobi from the right, even though you insist he can't play there.

It's funny that the vast majority of games Iwobi has performed well in for us has been from the right, even though you say he can't play there at all.

He's there to defend. He did it badly the other night. He's also a massive elephant in the room. He isn't great at all, yet he has to be in because he's the only player that creates. But he really just doesn't fit anywhere.
He fits central, he has fit central, our best game this season was with him playing central. It's not complicated at all. He's one of the first names on the teamsheet central and we refuse to do it. Utterly baffling.

Again he's not a great player, but he's what we have.
 
The reason would be that we've had the worst coaching in the league for the last two seasons.
But they're also not very good. Both of these things can be true.

ALL of the evidence is right there.

And Dyche might be many things but he is certainly a proper coach and someone who can organise a team. You just think it's beneath us because you have this warped idea that this team are good.

The only one that suits everyone - bar Iwobi but he'll always work hard - is the one v Arsenal, but that relies on Dom.
 
He fits central, he has fit central, our best game this season was with him playing central. It's not complicated at all. He's one of the first names on the teamsheet central and we refuse to do it. Utterly baffling.

Again he's not a great player, but he's what we have.
under Lampard it was mad he didn't play AM more after the Palace game.

But Dyche has literally had two games, at home to Arsenal (when the midfield worked brilliantly) and away at Anfield.

You're just making sweeping judgements. He could well play Iwobi central tomorrow.
 

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