2022/23 Sean Dyche

[CielosGrises]

I’m not arguing that the players aren’t good enough, believe me!

It’s finding that balance, it’s extremely difficult, you want players good enough to play for better clubs but who want to stay and play for Everton.

Otherwise we just become a feeder team for the top clubs which is what Brighton are. They might be well run, and their player trading profit might be great, but they’ll never dine at the top table, ever, is that what people want for Everton?

You’re right though, not many of the players we have now are even good enough to use us as a stepping stone. It’s a very poor squad.

A good starting point though is having a manager who is completely all in and also good, let’s hope Dyche is that man then we can build with him,

Martinez talked a lot of fluff but he made a good point that really you do want other clubs sniffing around your players - take it as a compliment.

It's interesting who we've actually managed to hang onto over the years - Baines and Coleman were wanted by Utd for example.

Pretty much every other outstanding performer has moved on - so really we need a conveyer belt of talent where we get some good years of overlap.

 

[blulouie]

….like his post-match when he said something along the lines of ‘wide players not loading the back-post’.

Often it’s about what you don’t see. Twice crosses from McNeil went across the box (I actually think Simms would’ve got on the end of one) but there was no sign of Iwobi on the back-post. its really hard work for wingers making that run, especially when you might get reward once in every 50 runs, but it’s little things that make a difference.

Doesn't even have to be Iwobi , if Maupay makes the right run & shows a bit of nouse he gets a goal or 2 on Saturday.

They were 2 peaches beging to be slotted.

 

[Cameron Manning]

as long as we are difficult score against, we are in with a really good chance of staying up. That is vital, we'llpick ups the oddgoalor two on the way, not many, but we shut teams out we are in with half a chance of staying up

I think a lot of fans are happy that Sean took over from Frank, I certainly feel we’ve got a better chance of staying up because of the change, We look more resilient, even seem to be fitter, more chances are being created which could be converted soon as we get more confident with each win.

it should be remembered that although wins are very important draws also count especially away from home and if we get eighteen more points from fifteen games then I’d say we are safe- - - - - - - - - well for this season anyway!!

 

[blulouie]

I hope he sticks to his words post Leeds game about "parking it " and back to work on the next game.

Maybe he has learnt a lesson after the Arsenal game , couldn't keep out of the media then brought down to earth with the Derby result , way too much chatter.

He can do all the media " this is me & what we do " work if & when we are safe.

 

[TheBigIguana]

….like his post-match when he said something along the lines of ‘wide players not loading the back-post’.

Often it’s about what you don’t see. Twice crosses from McNeil went across the box (I actually think Simms would’ve got on the end of one) but there was no sign of Iwobi on the back-post. its really hard work for wingers making that run, especially when you might get reward once in every 50 runs, but it’s little things that make a difference.

I'm willing to bet Dyche wants him hanging back to prevent transitions when McNeil is deep crossing the ball on the other side.

 

[Lanolin]

I’m not arguing that the players aren’t good enough, believe me!

It’s finding that balance, it’s extremely difficult, you want players good enough to play for better clubs but who want to stay and play for Everton.

Otherwise we just become a feeder team for the top clubs which is what Brighton are. They might be well run, and their player trading profit might be great, but they’ll never dine at the top table, ever, is that what people want for Everton?

You’re right though, not many of the players we have now are even good enough to use us as a stepping stone. It’s a very poor squad.

A good starting point though is having a manager who is completely all in and also good, let’s hope Dyche is that man then we can build with him,

We're so far away from competing at the top that it's really not worth thinking about things that way at all. Stay up, then get as much quality into the side as possible. If they see us as a stepping stone then fine, they're not going to be winning anything here any time soon so fair play to them if they want to go and do that somewhere else. Players will only want to stay here if they can achieve their ambitions here, we need to get to a point where that is a realistic possibility before we worry about people wanting to move on.

 

[Eggs]

I'm willing to bet Dyche wants him hanging back to prevent transitions when McNeil is deep crossing the ball on the other side.

….I would disagree with that as far as wide midfielders are concerned but I very much imagine that’s his thinking as far as his full backs are concerned.

 

[Saint Domingo]

We're so far away from competing at the top that it's really not worth thinking about things that way at all. Stay up, then get as much quality into the side as possible. If they see us as a stepping stone then fine, they're not going to be winning anything here any time soon so fair play to them if they want to go and do that somewhere else. Players will only want to stay here if they can achieve their ambitions here, we need to get to a point where that is a realistic possibility before we worry about people wanting to move on.

I agree to a point but Moyes was able to do it in the past, bringing in Jagielka Baines Coleman Pienaar Arteta Cahill Lescott Yakubu Distin. Some of them moved on after giving us their best years but a lot of them stayed with us and it was around this core that we moved from a bottom half team battling relegation to one that was qualifying for Europe. It’s far easier to then make the jump to being successful from that position than it is throwing quality players who might not want to be in a relegation battle straight in.

We’ve gone down this road with Allan Doucoure Gomes Digne Bernard etc. good players on paper but when it came down to it they didn’t have the consistency of performance to stop us getting into numerous bottom half scraps (there were other reasons of course)

I’m just saying they’re not mutually exclusive. We don’t have to bring in players who are looking for the exit door the day they arrive just to get better. We can find good players who will move us up the table and buy into a collective desire to improve here.

More Leighton Baines, less Moise Kean.

 

[TheBigIguana]

….I would disagree with that as far as wide midfielders are concerned but I very much imagine that’s his thinking as far as his full backs are concerned.

That video of him talking through his tactics he specifically says when one winger attacks the other should come deeper and central to cover. Also with how often Onana and Doucoure are making runs I imagine the far winger is told to hold up.

 

[Harryflashman]

I hope he sticks to his words post Leeds game about "parking it " and back to work on the next game.

Maybe he has learnt a lesson after the Arsenal game , couldn't keep out of the media then brought down to earth with the Derby result , way too much chatter.

He can do all the media " this is me & what we do " work if & when we are safe.

Do you think ? I just thought the game got attention because we’d beaten an arsenal who were top of the league and hadn’t lost in that comp for ages . Not convinced Dyche was courting media attention , he didn’t seem to be on sky , bbc , radio 5 , talkSPORT or anything else other than his match conferences and interviews. I just think the difference was the media wanted to extensively report what he was saying .

 

[Lanolin]

I agree to a point but Moyes was able to do it in the past, bringing in Jagielka Baines Coleman Pienaar Arteta Cahill Lescott Yakubu Distin. Some of them moved on after giving us their best years but a lot of them stayed with us and it was around this core that we moved from a bottom half team battling relegation to one that was qualifying for Europe. It’s far easier to then make the jump to being successful from that position than it is throwing quality players who might not want to be in a relegation battle straight in.

We’ve gone down this road with Allan Doucoure Gomes Digne Bernard etc. good players on paper but when it came down to it they didn’t have the consistency of performance to stop us getting into numerous bottom half scraps (there were other reasons of course)

I’m just saying they’re not mutually exclusive. We don’t have to bring in players who are looking for the exit door the day they arrive just to get better. We can find good players who will move us up the table and buy into a collective desire to improve here.

More Leighton Baines, less Moise Kean.

Only a couple of the players you've mentioned really fall into the bracket you're talking about I think. Pienaar, Arteta and Lescott all left when they got the chance to move upwards, Yakubu only had one season before he broke and Distin was already in his 30s when he signed, he was never going to be on the radar of bigger clubs. For the ones that did stay, like I said, it's maybe a bit different when you're finishing top 6 and getting to the latter stages of cups because you think it's possible to achieve things, but we're miles away from that point. We need to try and stay up this year and if we do then realistically we just need to have 2/3 years of not being in a relegation battle. We're not going to suddenly find ourselves being best of the rest again overnight, we've got a long way to go to get back there and if it happens then undoubtedly plenty of players will have been and gone by the time it does, that's just football. Players who are clearly agitating for a move from day one are something to stay away from whether you're in our position or City's to be honest, nobody needs players like that affecting the team, but players who do what the likes of Richarlison, Fellaini, Lescott, Lukaku etc have done - come in and do well and contribute before moving on to better things is absolutely fine. Even the most successful clubs have players like that from time to time.

 

[Eggs]

That video of him talking through his tactics he specifically says when one winger attacks the other should come deeper and central to cover. Also with how often Onana and Doucoure are making runs I imagine the far winger is told to hold up.

….fascinating stuff.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Only a couple of the players you've mentioned really fall into the bracket you're talking about I think. Pienaar, Arteta and Lescott all left when they got the chance to move upwards, Yakubu only had one season before he broke and Distin was already in his 30s when he signed, he was never going to be on the radar of bigger clubs. For the ones that did stay, like I said, it's maybe a bit different when you're finishing top 6 and getting to the latter stages of cups because you think it's possible to achieve things, but we're miles away from that point. We need to try and stay up this year and if we do then realistically we just need to have 2/3 years of not being in a relegation battle. We're not going to suddenly find ourselves being best of the rest again overnight, we've got a long way to go to get back there and if it happens then undoubtedly plenty of players will have been and gone by the time it does, that's just football. Players who are clearly agitating for a move from day one are something to stay away from whether you're in our position or City's to be honest, nobody needs players like that affecting the team, but players who do what the likes of Richarlison, Fellaini, Lescott, Lukaku etc have done - come in and do well and contribute before moving on to better things is absolutely fine. Even the most successful clubs have players like that from time to time.

This is fine, they gave us good service and then they moved on, no problem with that at all. If Onana gives us a few seasons of top quality to the point we can’t keep hold of him then good on him, Recently though we’ve not been getting the good service (Richarlison aside) and there’s a lot of players I look at and I wasn’t sure why they’d even want to be here and often it showed in performances (not the only reason as I said)

Logically though it makes sense that the only way we start building consistency and moving up the table is by creating a common culture from the manager downwards to the players of all pulling in the same direction. Alignment as Dyche might call it. How often have we truly had that in the Moshiri era? Small periods under Silva Carlo and Lampard maybe but not enough to build a culture of good performance to embed us in mid table repeatedly.

 

[blulouie]

Do you think ? I just thought the game got attention because we’d beaten an arsenal who were top of the league and hadn’t lost in that comp for ages . Not convinced Dyche was courting media attention , he didn’t seem to be on sky , bbc , radio 5 , talkSPORT or anything else other than his match conferences and interviews. I just think the difference was the media wanted to extensively report what he was saying .

He was on plenty mate quite a bit much for me , you obviously think not.

I particularly didn't like the Defour & Eddie Jones stuff , even discussing tactics. None of the top managers would be putting that out.

I like the way he is setting the team up & the work ethic he has instilled and agree he's doing a good job .
Press conferences , yes he has to do that and is very good at it , but for me the rest of the stuff he can " park it " until we are in a safe position.

 

[Blue_Eagle]

Sean Dyche eats dentasticks for solid oral hygiene.