2022/23 Sean Dyche

[LeeCarsley]

We could still end up with only 3 wins in the remainder of the season so think people need to remember Monday and temper the excitement.

Nothing wrong with getting excited after a win, not like we've had many opportunities! lol I don't know if I can hold Anfield against him at any rate, I've seen much better Everton squads than this current bunch perform much worse and he didn't have DCL then either. I'm cautiously optimistic, if we beat Villa I will be ridiculous and silly!

 

[LeeCarsley]

Thinking we're fine when we still can barely create a chance from open play is putting the cart firmly in front of the horse.

Leeds were horrible and we ground it out. Good. We need to grind them out. We also need to get better.

Should probably stay up first, mind.

 

[Nymzee]

Nothing wrong with getting excited after a win, not like we've had many opportunities! lol I don't know if I can hold Anfield against him at any rate, I've seen much better Everton squads than this current bunch perform much worse and he didn't have Dominic Calvert-Lewin then either. I'm cautiously optimistic, if we beat Villa I will be ridiculous and silly!

Maybe it’s just me but not getting too excited. We’re still stuck right in it, still struggling to score & haven’t shown yet we can do anything away. We also have probably the hardest run in.

 

[LeeCarsley]

Maybe it’s just me but not getting too excited. We’re still stuck right in it, still struggling to score & haven’t shown yet we can do anything away. We also have probably the hardest run in.

Still think quite a few teams are in the mix and not much he can do about being stuck in it considering he's only been here for three matches. Grinding out home wins is the name of Premier League survival but considering how good we've been at chance creation in our two home games that gives me confidence especially considering he's doing it with zero attacking options.

 

[jinkyali]

It will be a tough match, with two well-organized teams. So it will be difficult to create many chances against them. They are also extremely good in the offensive transition phase, so here we must constantly ensure that we are in balance.

Having said that, Leeds is not as bad as some here claim. Most recently against Manchester United, they played two good games, but their problem has not been creating chances, but getting an end product. Against us they created nothing, which indicates a good tactical plan.

Aston Villa have conceded 11 goals in their last three games.

Hardly well organised imho.

 

[MikeH72]

Maybe it’s just me but not getting too excited. We’re still stuck right in it, still struggling to score & haven’t shown yet we can do anything away. We also have probably the hardest run in.

I’m pretty sure absolutely no one is getting excited.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I'm not being funny mate but what managers have recently been here and made it sound like they don't want to be here?

Koeman and Sam the only ones.

Silva wanted it to work, Carlo was quite happy here but Madrid came calling (why wouldn't he be happy here, mind, he was on £10m a season). Benitez was a prat but even he wanted it work, and Lampard certainly didn't act like he was above us.

It's not about them wanting to be here or not. I imagine a big reason why Dyche is here is the fact he'll get over £3m if we stay up... Doesn't matter, if he does it he's done a good job. It's just about them doing a good job and in this case getting the team to be more than the sum of its parts.

I’m all for players and managers seeing us as their sole focus. We need a dressing room and manager who all want to win for Everton.

Koeman was eyeing up the Barcelona job the second he got here. Lukaku saw us as a stepping stone from day one, Moise Kean the same, Richarlison arguably did too (although I can’t say he didn’t give everything for us), Schendierlin didn’t even want to be here, I’m not sure Gomes did either, they came because it was convenient game time and a big wage.

Lots of players came to play for Ancelotti, not for Everton including Allan and James. Let’s be honest Ancelotti was here for Moshiri’s cash not because he had a desire to be Everton manager. I loved him when he was here, but he showed how much we meant to him when he left us, remember he was the one who rang Madrid not the other way.

To give Frank his due I think he’d come down from the Chelsea job and genuinely gave us everything, sadly he just wasn’t up to it. Benitez wanted a PL job nearby, I’m not sure how motivated he would have been to keep going if he had stayed long term. Allardyce I think actually appreciated being in the job, we just didn’t appreciate him. Silva who knows, he was the most emotionless bloke I’ve ever seen manage us.

It’s a difficult thing to find but we need to find good players who want to be here managed by a good manager who wants to win with us. If we have too many players who are just here to use us as a stepping stone then that becomes the predominate feeling in the squad ‘play well for yourself and you’ll get a good move’.

 

[mikel_88]

It does gray

Maybe it’s just me but not getting too excited. We’re still stuck right in it, still struggling to score & haven’t shown yet we can do anything away. We also have probably the hardest run in.

no think its just enjoy the moment after the gwme arsenal and leeds because of the win and then back to thinking about the run in again. Plus after leeds just nice see us out of the bottom 3 was still nervous about games today, just happy he has give us all sonething to back

 

[arch stanton]

as long as we are difficult score against, we are in with a really good chance of staying up. That is vital, we'llpick ups the oddgoalor two on the way, not many, but we shut teams out we are in with half a chance of staying up

 

[mikel_88]

I'm not being funny mate but what managers have recently been here and made it sound like they don't want to be here?

Koeman and Sam the only ones.

Silva wanted it to work, Carlo was quite happy here but Madrid came calling (why wouldn't he be happy here, mind, he was on £10m a season). Benitez was a prat but even he wanted it work, and Lampard certainly didn't act like he was above us.

It's not about them wanting to be here or not. I imagine a big reason why Dyche is here is the fact he'll get over £3m if we stay up... Doesn't matter, if he does it he's done a good job. It's just about them doing a good job and in this case getting the team to be more than the sum of its parts.

Been happy what he has said so far seems genuine. Plus think we all have wanted see a mqnager make this team put in the hard work and not afraid to drop players like gray if dont meet the standard.

 

[BlueToff]

I’m all for players and managers seeing us as their sole focus. We need a dressing room and manager who all want to win for Everton.

Koeman was eyeing up the Barcelona job the second he got here. Lukaku saw us as a stepping stone from day one, Moise Kean the same, Richarlison arguably did too (although I can’t say he didn’t give everything for us), Schendierlin didn’t even want to be here, I’m not sure Gomes did either, they came because it was convenient game time and a big wage.

Lots of players came to play for Ancelotti, not for Everton including Allan and James. Let’s be honest Ancelotti was here for Moshiri’s cash not because he had a desire to be Everton manager. I loved him when he was here, but he showed how much we meant to him when he left us, remember he was the one who rang Madrid not the other way.

To give Frank his due I think he’d come down from the Chelsea job and genuinely gave us everything, sadly he just wasn’t up to it. Benitez wanted a PL job nearby, I’m not sure how motivated he would have been to keep going if he had stayed long term. Allardyce I think actually appreciated being in the job, we just didn’t appreciate him. Silva who knows, he was the most emotionless bloke I’ve ever seen manage us.

It’s a difficult thing to find but we need to find good players who want to be here managed by a good manager who wants to win with us. If we have too many players who are just here to use us as a stepping stone then that becomes the predominate feeling in the squad ‘play well for yourself and you’ll get a good move’.

But this is football. Everton have to become sustainable and a big part of that is recognising how to be economically prudent while also succeeding.

Do you think Brighton fans care that their World Cup-winning midfielder probably sees himself playing at a bigger club someday?

All that's to say is what my point was is that I don't think any manager since Koeman (BFS just is how he is) saw us as necessarily a stepping stone. They were all committed in their own way. They just proved not to be very good, Ancelotti aside (and his failings came from the players at his disposal being a lot poorer than he's been used to).

Benitez was motivated but for all the wrong reasons, and he was just a stupid pick. Silva wasn't 'emotionless' because he didn't care, that's just how he is. He's the same now at Fulham, btw. He hasn't changed in that regard.

We've got a player in Onana who probably could go on to big things in the game but the reason we signed him is because we sold ourselves as that pathway and that's fine. When it comes to managers it should be about if they fit what we are trying to build. If they ultimately move on - like Potter did to Chelsea for example - then it means they'd done a good job and we'd have to have the next person ready to go to hopefully build and improve on what they did.

But right now we are miles from that as we simply need a good manager to bring about some stability and keep us steady heading into the new stadium.

Look at this squad right now btw and honestly tell me which players, bar Onana, see us as a stepping stone...

That isn't the issue, it's that they're just not that good.

We as fans make far too many excuses for players, and managers really, but mainly players. We try to find other angles into it, that they aren't fully committed, that they don't give 100% every game etc.

The sad truth that we don't want to accept is that while yes, some players may not give 100 per cent every single minute - and that should change and will change under Dyche - that most of them just aren't good enough. And that's why we are where we are.

 

[BlueToff]

Been happy what he has said so far seems genuine. Plus think we all have wanted see a mqnager make this team put in the hard work and not afraid to drop players like gray if dont meet the standard.

Yeah that's fine I'm not disputing it. Of course he wants to be here - it's Everton and it's the biggest job he'll ever have. Let's also not forget he'll get a nice, seven-figure bonus for keeping us up (so he'll essentially get paid a bonus for doing what we brought him into do).

It's footy, it is what it is. He's got one job and that's to get us as close to 40 points as possible. He's already been let down by the people who run the club (DoF included) so he's not going to have it the easy way.

 

[MikeH72]

But this is football. Everton have to become sustainable and a big part of that is recognising how to be economically prudent while also succeeding.

Do you think Brighton fans care that their World Cup-winning midfielder probably sees himself playing at a bigger club someday?

All that's to say is what my point was is that I don't think any manager since Koeman (BFS just is how he is) saw us as necessarily a stepping stone. They were all committed in their own way. They just proved not to be very good, Ancelotti aside (and his failings came from the players at his disposal being a lot poorer than he's been used to).

Benitez was motivated but for all the wrong reasons, and he was just a stupid pick. Silva wasn't 'emotionless' because he didn't care, that's just how he is. He's the same now at Fulham, btw. He hasn't changed in that regard.

We've got a player in Onana who probably could go on to big things in the game but the reason we signed him is because we sold ourselves as that pathway and that's fine. When it comes to managers it should be about if they fit what we are trying to build. If they ultimately move on - like Potter did to Chelsea for example - then it means they'd done a good job and we'd have to have the next person ready to go to hopefully build and improve on what they did.

But right now we are miles from that as we simply need a good manager to bring about some stability and keep us steady heading into the new stadium.

Look at this squad right now btw and honestly tell me which players, bar Onana, see us as a stepping stone...

That isn't the issue, it's that they're just not that good.

We as fans make far too many excuses for players, and managers really, but mainly players. We try to find other angles into it, that they aren't fully committed, that they don't give 100% every game etc.

The sad truth that we don't want to accept is that while yes, some players may not give 100 per cent every single minute - and that should change and will change under Dyche - that most of them just aren't good enough. And that's why we are where we are.

Don’t mention Brighton to him mate his head will pop. Has a really really hard time accepting that they’re a better run club in every way than us.

 

[mikel_88]

Yeah that's fine I'm not disputing it. Of course he wants to be here - it's Everton and it's the biggest job he'll ever have. Let's also not forget he'll get a nice, seven-figure bonus for keeping us up (so he'll essentially get paid a bonus for doing what we brought him into do).

It's footy, it is what it is. He's got one job and that's to get us as close to 40 points as possible. He's already been let down by the people who run the club (DoF included) so he's not going to have it the easy way.

Agree with you think i want to feel like this could work as just fed up with changing managers now. As you said with the mess at board ect just want this season to finally be the change now

 

[Nymzee]

I’m pretty sure absolutely no one is getting excited.

Then you would be wrong. Within minutes of full time Catcher said we’re definitely staying up. I’m sure the official Twitter will be in overdrive this week too posting about it.