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2022/23 Sean Dyche

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Nymzee said:
It’s less OTT than after Arsenal I’ll say too much. We just have a habit of swinging to extremes. I’m forgetting about the wins as soon as they happen till this season is over. These players are cowards and need to show us they will fight when they don’t have Goodison behind them.
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The next away game will be interesting to see what Dyche has installed in them. My initial point was that the derby probably isn't the best example of what we can do.

We've bottled going to Analfield for decades now: I was there in '99 the last time we won with fans, and since then the pressure has constantly buckled them.

What Dyche must do now is show that he can get them playing away from home* because a shock win and a few dogged draws here and there will help a lot.

I'm confident we'll be solid at home on enough occasions to get the points on the board, but the more consistent we are home and away, the easier it'll be.

Taking the dreadful display at the RS as a barometer for things to come is probably not a fair assessment, or at least I hope it isn't.

*His record at Burnley away from home wasn't, however, stellar.
 
GrandOldSte117 said:
But we've all watched football long enough to know that you raise your standard for better teams, and it looks worse against the lesser ones because they make the game scrappy. That was that yesterday. The encouraging thing being that we've lost all those relegation scraps this season. Nathan Jones only PL win came at goodison. That win yday gave me more confidence than beating Arsenal at home did.
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You're speaking like we didn't make the game scrappy. We're one of the worst teams in the league and need to make every game scrappy.

Nobody should be expecting flowing football.
 
PhilM said:
The next away game will be interesting to see what Dyche has installed in them. My initial point was that the derby probably isn't the best example of what we can do.

We've bottled going to Analfield for decades now: I was there in '99 the last time we won with fans, and since then the pressure has constantly buckled them.

What Dyche must do now is show that he can get them playing away from home* because a shock win and a few dogged draws here and there will help a lot.

I'm confident we'll be solid at home on enough occasions to get the points on the board, but the more consistent we are home and away, the easier it'll be.

Taking the dreadful display at the RS as a barometer for things to come is probably not a fair assessment, or at least I hope it isn't.

*His record at Burnley away from home wasn't, however, stellar.
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Pretty sure our next away game is at the Emirates and then it's the trip to Forest.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Good players create chances as well though, so it can’t all go at the managers door.

If we had prime Messi Suarez Neymar upfront with Iniesta behind them I’m sure our chance creation metrics would look far far better no matter what Dyche did with them.

Instead he’s got players who literally can’t execute a simple final pass or cross even with time on the ball.

Now if you’re even a semi competent PL manager who wants to keep his job and is in a relegation battle with confidence amongst fans and players absolutely brittle, do you play a style of football you know they can handle and gives you a chance of winning the game, or do you play a style that the players can’t even execute, might get you punted for loads of counter attack goals at home, but hey at least the Graham Potter hipster fan club on GOT likes your opta stats?

If Dyche had a front three of any combination of fully fit prime Richarlison, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Lukaku, Yakubu, Mirallas, James etc. We’d have absolutely battered both Arsenal and Leeds. Better players create better chances and are more likely to take them.

He’s doing what he needs to to create chances out of McNeil Maupay Iwobi and Docoure. If anyone has a better way of doing it I’d love to see it. If it involves passing and controlling a football though you’re goosed.
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I'm not disagreeing mate like I said these players aren't good enough.

I wasn't having a dig at Dyche at all.

His job is to get us 5-6 more wins and keep us up, by hook or by crook. He has been failed spectacularly by the DoF and board already in not bringing players in so we are where we are.
 
BlueToff said:
Pretty sure our next away game is at the Emirates and then it's the trip to Forest.
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Arsenal, Forest, Chelsea, United and Palace are our next five away fixtures. Four out of those five are not good stamping grounds for us, and Forest is an unknown.

Any points taken from those would be a big improvement on our recent history away from home.
 

Gwladysstreetlad said:
He's had a cracking start to his time here so far. Based on what I've seen thus far. I'm impressed. However I'll still need to see more then a couple of wins before I'm convinced that this isn't just another false dawn from our team full of proven knobheads. I don't want Dyche to be the lastest victim of this team downing tools.
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Agreed, although I think if I was a player I’d be a lot more worried going in to see an angry Sean Dyche if I’d not played well than an angry Frank Lampard.
 
GrandOldSte117 said:
Ye, I agree with you actually. I don't mind if scrappy wins us games
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It's what we'll have to do. But that simply means it's fine-margin footy.

We have zero up top without DCL and that's a huge issue for how we create chances, because his presence does open up space for others when we are able to go more direct.
 

Margarita said:
Appointing SD is possibly the best decision made by the club in years. It’s a low bar but he feels like a good bloke and understands the terrain. A grownup and a coach.
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Actually feels like he wants to be here. Not like they’re doing us a massive favour being here. He wants to prove himself and knows he probably couldn’t get a top 6 job and doesn’t need to use us as a stepping stone. This will probably be the biggest Jon he ever has and it looks like he’s going to be fully committed to it.

I’m actually interested to se what he could do with us if he can keep us up and we can get some decent attacking players in.
 
PhilM said:
Arsenal, Forest, Chelsea, United and Palace are our next five away fixtures. Four out of those five are not good stamping grounds for us, and Forest is an unknown.

Any points taken from those would be a big improvement on our recent history away from home.
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realistically we need to be getting 5 points from them to ensure the pressure isn't all on our home form.

We need 5 more wins and the draws should hopefully sort themselves out.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Actually feels like he wants to be here. Not like they’re doing us a massive favour being here. He wants to prove himself and knows he probably couldn’t get a top 6 job and doesn’t need to use us as a stepping stone. This will probably be the biggest Jon he ever has and it looks like he’s going to be fully committed to it.

I’m actually interested to se what he could do with us if he can keep us up and we can get some decent attacking players in.
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I'm not being funny mate but what managers have recently been here and made it sound like they don't want to be here?

Koeman and Sam the only ones.

Silva wanted it to work, Carlo was quite happy here but Madrid came calling (why wouldn't he be happy here, mind, he was on £10m a season). Benitez was a prat but even he wanted it work, and Lampard certainly didn't act like he was above us.

It's not about them wanting to be here or not. I imagine a big reason why Dyche is here is the fact he'll get over £3m if we stay up... Doesn't matter, if he does it he's done a good job. It's just about them doing a good job and in this case getting the team to be more than the sum of its parts.
 

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