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2022/23 Sean Dyche

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TheBigIguana said:
Then put someone up there you can launch it at. Either do what you want to do or do something else that can work. The half measures really aren't going to get us anywhere.

The first half was good because we got needlessly fouled for a penalty and scored from a set play. It isn't enough. The priority for the manager is to figure out consistent chance creation and goal scoring so we can win games. What we're doing now isn't it.
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I don't think Dyche does want to 'just launch it'. He wants us to use the two advanced CMs to press and hassle and win the ball back and break from there.

All of that works better with Dom there because Dom not only gives you that option but he then gives you a platform to work from when you do go long.

Our chance creation is getting much better, we just can't finish them. They're not amazing chances but they are there - it just comes down to these players that you think are good, actually not being very good.

Iwobi has zero goals in him. Gray missed a great chance just before HT yesterday to put it to bed. We missed three good opportunities before Arsenal scored, we did the same v Villa.

The second half yesterday they should have kept doing what they were doing in the first half but didn't, and that's on Dyche and the players. But ultimately our defending as a unit is also a huge issue.

We lack any quality at all as a team in the final third and this is what you get.
 
BlueToff said:
I don't think Dyche does want to 'just launch it'. He wants us to use the two advanced CMs to press and hassle and win the ball back and break from there.

All of that works better with Dom there because Dom not only gives you that option but he then gives you a platform to work from when you do go long.

Our chance creation is getting much better, we just can't finish them. They're not amazing chances but they are there - it just comes down to these players that you think are good, actually not being very good.

Iwobi has zero goals in him. Gray missed a great chance just before HT yesterday to put it to bed. We missed three good opportunities before Arsenal scored, we did the same v Villa.

The second half yesterday they should have kept doing what they were doing in the first half but didn't, and that's on Dyche and the players. But ultimately our defending as a unit is also a huge issue.

We lack any quality at all as a team in the final third and this is what you get.
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McNeil and Iwobi aren't going to score playing as wide as they are with their strong foot not on the side likely to get shots coming infield. You've got that right.

Again we're doing nothing and acting surprised when it doesn't work. I don't think we have the best players (I shouldn't have to keep saying this) but we're kidding ourselves if we think they're this bad. There is more there to be unlocked.
 
Doing a good job with a very limited squad so far. Lack of goal scorers is limiting the progress he can make; I believe another attacking option or two would have got us a draw against Villa, and a win against Forest. Desperately needs Calvert-Lewin back.
 
BlueToff said:
You can't launch the ball up to Maupay though. Simms... maybe, but it's not his game.

And tbh no it's not a useless middle really. The 1st half yesterday was good and the gameplan was clear and effective. Changing to a more counter-attacking style in the second half, and then not utilising subs earlier on, were mistakes IMO. And starting Keane is ludicrous when Mina is available.

But still, their second goal doesn't happen if Doucoure simply does the right thing.
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Yep, strange that Mina has been just sat on the bench for ages twiddling his thumbs. Do ya reckon that he's the one that didn't fill in his questionnaire?? lol
 
BlueToff said:
It's not 'near impossible'

He'll have had 18 games - the same as Lampard did - to keep us up.

He's a better manager than Lampard, so by that logic that should make up for the 4-point advantage Lampard had when he came in.

He's done okay so far but he's a month in and we're seeing the same issues as we saw under Lampard, which was getting caught on the break and isolated defending.

If we go down he won't be blameless and personally any manager that takes Everton down, for me they shouldn't be safe in their job.

However, all things considered he'd probably be the right pick to get us straight back up.

But he needs to start getting us organised. In no way do we look defensively solid.
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Agree with all that, as far as it goes, but, you failed to take into account that Lampard had Richarlison scoring a decent amount of goals and setting the kind of example that drove the team on in those final weeks of last season. I think if Dyche had Richarlison or somebody with his kind of impact up front, we would be looking up the table rather than down.
 

BlueToff said:
Aye it's positive but it means nothing when we're throwing them in at the other end.

We've conceded eight goals in the space of three games. That's as bad as anything Lampard did.

It shows a) the players just really are crap and b) the manager we have in place needs to find a way that can be limited.
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Them 8 goals won't beat the 7 Bournemouth scored against us.
 
roy vernon said:
Agree with all that, as far as it goes, but, you failed to take into account that Lampard had Richarlison scoring a decent amount of goals and setting the kind of example that drove the team on in those final weeks of last season. I think if Dyche had Richarlison or somebody with his kind of impact up front, we would be looking up the table rather than down.
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I didn't, but it was that - one player - and Richarlison didn't start scoring until April.

He was brilliant in the run-in and not replacing him is a travesty.
 
TheBigIguana said:
McNeil and Iwobi aren't going to score playing as wide as they are with their strong foot not on the side likely to get shots coming infield. You've got that right.

Again we're doing nothing and acting surprised when it doesn't work. I don't think we have the best players (I shouldn't have to keep saying this) but we're kidding ourselves if we think they're this bad. There is more there to be unlocked.
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Ah here we go, your excuse for players who have NEVER scored goals in the Premier League consistently is that they're just playing on the wrong side. It's boring and wrong.

Iwobi has never been a good goalscorer. It just isn't him. McNeil's goals for Everton and Burnley have all come from the left, bar one great shot against us in 2021.

Against Villa, Iwobi and McNeil actually combined for what should have been a great chance, but because McNeil refuses to use his right foot, he didn't pull the trigger.

Whatever side they're on, they are our starting wingers and between them they've scored four league goals in 5 seasons.

Last summer, we signed a striker who a) doesn't fit the profile that was needed because he's slow and small and b) has underperformed his xG in a side that always created good chances consistently for the previous three years.

Since Dyche took over, we're 7th in the league for non-penalty expected goals (7.3), so we've underperformed by over 4.

For reference, before Dyche, we were 16th for npxG, so there is clear improvement when it comes to the quality/quantity of chances we create. It's still not good enough and a lot of that comes back down to players making poor decisions when in the final third - because, get this, they are not very good.

So we are definitely not 'doing nothing'. They are this bad when it comes to converting chances, this isn't bloody rocket science. You think they're good, but every bit of evidence that hits you in your face suggests they are not, and then you just come up with tripe about Iwobi and McNeil playing on the wrong side.

I don't think Dyche is a brilliant manager at all. I think he's deeply average but to say we aren't looking better going forward is simply wrong. We are, but we do not have the quality or composure to finish chances. Do you think McNeil scores that 2nd goal that Johnson did the other day? Do you ever see Iwobi getting in place for a back post tap-in? They just aren't good at putting the ball in the net, and it's what will cost us.
 
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Lots of crap started again with Dyche’s management style/tactics like he’s Big Sam 2.0

He is not a kick and rush merchant- does he play direct? Of course but he likes pressing aggressively in areas that lead to chance creation.

There’s always been a ? If his style would work with higher calibre players but let’s be honest - theres not many in your squad that I’d even consider PL starting material
 

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