2022/23 Sean Dyche

[UndercoverClaret]

That's great and all, but you're assuming Dyche will be doing any player signing - after all, that's supposed to be the point of us having a DOF. I'm sure it'll be some what of a combination between manager and DOF, but we've been down that road numerous times before and probably explains why we've been landed with so much dross because we don't have any 1 recruitment expert calling the shots.

Well if players are being signed without any managerial consideration in terms of player traits/physicals etc etc then that will explain why your club isn’t where you think it should be.

There has to be an alignment of philosophy top down from the owner to the fans.

 

[Neiler]

I absolutely hated that argument. If sacking managers is destroying the club, what is keeping the most incompetent manager in our recent history in charge doing for the club?

There's a few managers we probably pulled the trigger on too early, Lampard is one we waited about 2 months too long on.

Because we've spent the best part of 50-60 mil, under Moshiri in compo to managers mate, we are in the dock for being over the P/S threshold partly for dropping 10 mill on FSW and his staff and we will do the same with Lampard in this years accounts - thats 20 mill on managers in 12 months - its ridiculous. On top of having to pay a new one.

The net impact away from burning money is a squad made up of 7 managers all with a different plan, lacks cohesion, balance and strategy in building getting sucked closer and closer to the EFL - its undermining and destroying the club.

The club desperately need to hang onto a manager, Lampard wasn't right for it, he was to inflexible and dogmatic in his beliefs - that came to pass this season, but given the above impact - its more then just a binary keep or get rid and you can see the motivation of the club wanting to give it time to work, especially after the collarterol of last year and early season. The club made a decision to appoint Lampard and it was right they gave him a degree of time - my own opinion it was two games to long - he should have gone after Brighton. But the club were afraid to move with everything else that was going on at the time.

Lamaprd wasn't a good manger, but the club needing to not sack another manager as it hurts the club is also true - the two things can exist together and is a more nuanced decision, then a simple keep or get rid - i think everyone hoped it would work out - it didnt mind.

 

[GrandOldSte117]

We needed to give him time, we couldn't and cant keep sacking managers, its destroying the club - we left it two games to many to change in hindsight - but its a hard man to criticise something that the club need and that is stability and consistency, even if the red line that exists is relegation - which we were (and are) in threat of under him.

Lampard to my mind fell on his own sword.

'We couldn't and can't keep sacking managers' is just null and void when you have a crap manager. It was clear as day that he was terrible but people were enamored with his playing days and 'charisma'.

 

[GrandOldSte117]

Because we've spent the best part of 50-60 mil, under Moshiri in compo to managers mate, we are in the dock for being over the P/S threshold partly for dropping 10 mill on FSW and his staff and we will do the same with Lampard in this years accounts - thats 20 mill on managers in 12 months - its ridiculous. On top of having to pay a new one.

The net impact away from burning money is a squad made up of 7 managers all with a different plan, lacks cohesion, balance and strategy in building getting sucked closer and closer to the EFL - its undermining and destroying the club.

The club desperately need to hang onto a manager, Lampard wasn't right for it, he was to inflexible and dogmatic in his beliefs - that came to pass this season, but given the above impact - its more then just a binary keep or get rid and you can see the motivation of the club wanting to give it time to work, especially after the collarterol of last year and early season. The club made a decision to appoint Lampard and it was right they gave him a degree of time - my own opinion it was two games to long - he should have gone after Brighton. But the club were afraid to move with everything else that was going on at the time.

Lamaprd wasn't a good manger, but the club needing to not sack another manager as it hurts the club is also true - the two things can exist together and is a more nuanced decision, then a simple keep or get rid - i think everyone hoped it would work out - it didnt mind.

The argument is-don't hire Lampard in the first place and you won't have to sack him.

 

[ToffeeScot]

Few things annoy me about the situation -

1. Sack Lampard after Bournemouth and bring in Dyche and we would be comfortably mid table with this squad.
2. Bring in Dyche when we did and give him a striker, we would have picked up a few more wins and be 'virtually' safe.
3. I don't think he plays bad football at all. Granted, it sometimes isn't easy on the eye but overall I enjoy watching us currently. More than I have in quite a long time. I think his style, despite first giving you the impression that it is restrictive, provides players like Iwobi the freedom they need to thrive.

 

[Neiler]

'We couldn't and can't keep sacking managers' is just null and void when you have a crap manager. It was clear as day that he was terrible but people were enamored with his playing days and 'charisma'.

I dont think it was that at all mate, i was one of the early break outs who said he hadnt got it - that was in the run of good early season results.

It wasn't as clear as day really, its clear as day now and from Fulham onward - but that's just a reaction to the past.

I dont think people are stupid enough to get lured in by personality or big name stuff - we've had much bigger names at this club - i think there is a genuine appreciation that the club needs stability and consistency and there is a need to build something - on that hope i think people wanted to believe in him and give him time - that was my feeling on it the time - i wasnt actually one of those - but i hoped hd prove me wrong and turn it around with every passing game - but i can understand why people would have that hope - its what the club needs. I wouldn't cirtise anyone for that hope or reasoning.

I think that its really unfair, to say people wanted to keep Lampard - because he was Frank Lampard - there is way more at play then that.

 

[Neiler]

The argument is-don't hire Lampard in the first place and you won't have to sack him.

Vitor Pirerra?

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Few things annoy me about the situation -

1. Sack Lampard after Bournemouth and bring in Dyche and we would be comfortably mid table with this squad.
2. Bring in Dyche when we did and give him a striker, we would have picked up a few more wins and be 'virtually' safe.
3. I don't think he plays bad football at all. Granted, it sometimes isn't easy on the eye but overall I enjoy watching us currently. More than I have in quite a long time. I think his style, despite first giving you the impression that it is restrictive, provides players like Iwobi the freedom they need to thrive.

I have always swayed on this argument, on one hand I want to watch enjoyable football which is easy on the eye.

The other side is I want to win games, as many as possible and I dont mind how.

I would have happily took Mourinho at any point as he doesn't care about anything but winning. The tiki taka of Martinez completely turned me off watching that, you win nothing for passing teams off the pitch.

I dont care how we play, so long as we win - and its testament to this squad and the manager that we are creating and having more chances on goal with Dyche then under a more free flowing football thinking manager.

Dyche has a plan, and sometimes its not pretty - but I think I had labelled him completely wrong from my impressions at Burnley. I didn't think we would create or has as many chances as we have had.

I take my hat off to him, proper striker and he could massively surprise a few next year if we stay up.

 

[GrandOldSte117]

Vitor Pirerra?

I mean, we all know the board are not fit for purpose. The fact that it was those two managers on the shortlist was a problem in itself.

 

[UndercoverClaret]

Dyche has a plan, and sometimes its not pretty - but I think I had labelled him completely wrong from my impressions at Burnley. I didn't think we would create or has as many chances as we have had.

How do you think us Burnley fans felt constantly being disingenuously represented/misappropriated with lazy stereotypes just because our town is a working town?

Brexit Burnley, Dinosaur Dyche - all really, really boring.

Anyway, I’m happy that dyche is putting to bed some of that stigma - I mean just look at the chances that you’re creating now vs before ; isn’t that what football is all about?!

 

[Colonel Getafe]

Well if players are being signed without any managerial consideration in terms of player traits/physicals etc etc then that will explain why your club isn’t where you think it should be.

There has to be an alignment of philosophy top down from the owner to the fans.

Welcome to Everton Football Club..........

 

[4737carlin]

Knows who to use Keane and McNeil, defo the right man for us.

 

[msb]

Knows who to use Keane and McNeil, defo the right man for us.

It is so much more than this, but this is the simplistic view.

The biggest change is in our competitive behaviour, we don't see players standing idly by as the oppo run past them. We do see players chasing back and trying to defend, we see a plan - it may be a bit simple, but it is a plan. The players are more confident, we don't fall over when we go a goal down, we shoot from outside the box and are not afraid to miss (in fact we are quite good at that latter bit).

And he plays players in the position he thinks will give us the most benefit and the players at least know what is expected of them.

I am actually enjoying the effort, the structure, the improvements, so much so that I look forward to going. I can't say it has been like that for years. Sadly we missed out on Carlo, but other than the best under Moyes, it is the best it has been since the 80s. Brown-shoes flattered to deceive, I think the Ginger-ninja may just have the right hutzpah to take us forward, balancing strong defence with attacking intent.

 

[Swartzy]

I absolutely hated that argument. If sacking managers is destroying the club, what is keeping the most incompetent manager in our recent history in charge doing for the club?

There's a few managers we probably pulled the trigger on too early, Lampard is one we waited about 2 months too long on.

We paid out 10.5 MILLION POUNDS on just the disposing of the worst piece of filth to step foot in our 'Dug out'
Lamps Deserved/Earnt a bit of time after the suffering caused by the man he replaced.

Although like I've mentioned before. the Palace game last season that built him even more credit in the bank, could of possibly been this season's fixture that comes back to haunt us. He was already gradually losing the the fanbase and then that 3-0 result came around and suddenly 'Franks the man again' and he's gained extra credit in the bank from what was just a random result.

He lost Fanbase, he lost the dressing room and he lost the fixtures.
when that happens it's 'Sayanara'

But not with our board

( Admittedly I did want Lamps to succeed )

 

[Blast_of_Cannock]

How do you think us Burnley fans felt constantly being disingenuously represented/misappropriated with lazy stereotypes just because our town is a working town?

Brexit Burnley, Dinosaur Dyche - all really, really boring.

Anyway, I’m happy that dyche is putting to bed some of that stigma - I mean just look at the chances that you’re creating now vs before ; isn’t that what football is all about?!

Dyche played some good stuff. I remember a goal you scored against us about 3-4 years ago that was one of the best team goals I'd seen for ages. I think it was Jeff Hendricks who scored, after 11-12 passes in the build-up. I'm quite happy with the football he's serving up for us, especially with the worst strike-force in living memory.