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2022/23 Sean Dyche

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Will be made up and forever grateful if he somehow does manage to keep this group of losers up but i cannot say i would want him here very long beyond that tbh. Seen some old familiar failings from him the last couple of games. Obviously the problems run much deeper than the Manager and have to be resolved at the end of the season but i haven't seen much to think that this guy could move us forward very much even if he was working in a better structure and different players.
 
For those who claim and continue to claim 'look what he's been lumbered with' ignores than the fact that he is part of what may be the worst 3 managers in the club history in succession - FSW, Lampard and Yard Dog Dyche.

I believe most of our problems are actually to do with the last 3 managers, which goes against the grain here, because to blame the board is easier.

Is it possible that we have hired three terrrible managers in a row?

Given the names we are dealing with, I would say it is entirely possible.
 
Lob said:
Will be made up and forever grateful if he somehow does manage to keep this group of losers up but i cannot say i would want him here very long beyond that tbh. Seen some old familiar failings from him the last couple of games. Obviously the problems run much deeper than the Manager and have to be resolved at the end of the season but i haven't seen much to think that this guy could move us forward very much even if he was working in a better structure and different players.
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He’s a total WYSIWYG manager.

There are no hidden depths. He is what he shows himself to be. Which is fine, as far as it goes.

Like you say, though, there is little to no excitement about Everton’s future potential under him.
 
The issue isn't Sean Dyche.

The issue(s) are, in my opinion, what I've been sharing for a very long time - summarised here;

www.grandoldteam.com

Why I Think Everton Will Be Relegated

19 games in, and despite how grim we've been - there's only 2 points between 20th and 14th. Talk of certain/inevitable relegation at this stage feels premature, but I thought I'd share a nice thread to cheer everyone on why I think we'll be relegated this season. Everton survive 2021/22 by the...
www.grandoldteam.com www.grandoldteam.com

Which is basically this;

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Alright, even I misjudged the board not sacking Lampard quick enough, if they sacked him when they should have done Christmas/before world cup they'd have also went for Martinez...

We're in a relegation fight because we deserve to be.

Our fans deserve infinitely better, but if you look at it objectively Everton as a football club deserve to be relegation through the negligence of how the club has been ran for years.

If we're relegated, keep Dyche. He's had 2 pops at promotion and achieved promotion twice.
 
Think i am well documented on what i think he is. Very bread n butter basic manager.
But when i saw what he had available saturday. Squads crap enough as it is without two players who have served him well so far not available. The bench options have to surely be the worst in the whole league. Read he got it wrong a few times already. Look when you have tom davies as your go to midfield man to change things you're already scraping the bottom of the barrel. Absolute piss take of a board and DOF to leave a manager with that work with.
 

Kev The Rat said:
For those who claim and continue to claim 'look what he's been lumbered with' ignores than the fact that he is part of what may be the worst 3 managers in the club history in succession - FSW, Lampard and Yard Dog Dyche.

I believe most of our problems are actually to do with the last 3 managers, which goes against the grain here, because to blame the board is easier.

Is it possible that we have hired three terrrible managers in a row?

Given the names we are dealing with, I would say it is entirely possible.
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What planet are you allegedly inhabiting?
 
Kev The Rat said:
For those who claim and continue to claim 'look what he's been lumbered with' ignores than the fact that he is part of what may be the worst 3 managers in the club history in succession - FSW, Lampard and Yard Dog Dyche.

I believe most of our problems are actually to do with the last 3 managers, which goes against the grain here, because to blame the board is easier.

Is it possible that we have hired three terrrible managers in a row?

Given the names we are dealing with, I would say it is entirely possible.
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Dyche is clearly not the main problem. No manager has been the biggest problem at this club.

The main problem is how the club has been ran. So the blame lies with Moshiri as owner, Kenwright as Chairman, the board (including CEO), the recruitment staff (including Thelwell as DOF), the players - in that order.

I don't rate Dyche as a manager and think he is unlikely to move us forward. I wouldn't keep him if we go down and get new ownership/board changes because you need about 95 points to get promoted - that means playing to win, not parking the bus (and doing so poorly). But to suggest the last 3 managers are the main problem is total rubbish to me.

I think Dyche is a poor manager. But the problems clearly lie far above him, and existed long long before he came to the club. Both of these can be true.
 
MikeH72 said:
What planet are you allegedly inhabiting?
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Some people look at our team and somehow conclude it should be performing better.

What I'd suggest to those people, is count the goals.

Go through every player we have, look at their career and count the goals.

Then, look at chances created over the past 3 years.

We're 20th.

Not creating chances = no goalscorers.

That to me has long dictated relegation fight. No matter the manager - Dyche reduces the chance of relegation over Lampard though - absolutely no doubt. I mean, points per game since he come in isn't relegation form.
 
ToffeeTim said:
Dyche is clearly not the main problem. No manager has been the biggest problem at this club.

The main problem is how the club has been ran. So the blame lies with Moshiri as owner, Kenwright as Chairman, the board (including CEO), the recruitment staff (including Thelwell as DOF), the players - in that order.

I don't rate Dyche as a manager and think he is unlikely to move us forward. I wouldn't keep him if we go down and get new ownership/board changes because you need about 95 points to get promoted - that means playing to win, not parking the bus (and doing so poorly). But to suggest the last 3 managers are the main problem is total rubbish to me.

I think Dyche is a poor manager. But the problems clearly lie far above him, and existed long long before he came to the club. Both of these can be true.
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So where do the managers factor in this? Or not at all?
 

GrandOldTeam said:
Some people look at our team and somehow conclude it should be performing better.

What I'd suggest to those people, is count the goals.

Go through every player we have, look at their career and count the goals.

Then, look at chances created over the past 3 years.

We're 20th.

Not creating chances = no goalscorers.

That to me has long dictated relegation fight.
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You commented in the Maupay thread that is was 'very strange' that he has been a consistent 10 goal a season man elsewhere for years.

So chances not created

Clearly the midfield is weak, is it so weak to be 20th in the league? I dont know, but the last 3 managers havent proved anything at all to me..............
 
Kev The Rat said:
You commented in the Maupay thread that is was 'very strange' that he has been a consistent 10 goal a season man elsewhere for years.

So chances not created

Clearly the midfield is weak, is it so weak to be 20th in the league? I dont know, but the last 3 managers havent proved anything at all to me..............
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Not sure what you were expecting of Dyche mate.

I've felt we'd be relegated this season before a ball was kicked, and certainly when the window shut.

I've felt that way because I don't think we have the players who can create, or score the required goals to keep us up.

Only way we're getting results is a clean sheet and a set piece goal (Brentford, Arsenal) or a one in a million effort (Coleman vs Leeds, Keane vs Spurs. Even Simms vs Chelsea really, some goal that).

Looking at the results so far (below, just misses Fulham), we've got more points under Dyche that I'd have expected.


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11 Games.

3W
3D
5L

That form isn't relegation form.

It's very decent too when factor in 5 were Arsenal X2, Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea A.

Fulham is the only game I've felt we've got less than I expected - but until recent form I wasn't expecting a win.

If Dyche was here in the summer, I think we're looking over our shoulder but I don't think we go down.
If Dyche come in after Bournemouth, I think we're 5/6 points above now.
 

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