2022/23 Sean Dyche

[Terrarian]

Picks Keane and Godfrey and so deserves all the flack he's getting, unfortunate but he's picking favourites, favourites who keep letting him down.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

And such short term focus on the manager is part of the problem. For years it's given the board an easy scapegoat.

Example;

Everton Board thread. October 23, 2021
Replies. 15k.

Sean Dyche thread. January 23, 2023
Replies. 13k.

The reality, at least as I see it is he took over a team in 19th place and all considered I didn't expect him to keep us up. Majority of fans had wrote us off because, well, we're crap.

Also, if not Dyche for next season who has 2 promotions at first time of asking to his name - add weight to that by naming others you'd go for.

I'd keep him, not because I like it, but.... pragmatism.

We dont need another manager who thinks they can get something out of the likes of Ben Godfrey.

Problem for me is that retaining Dyche means retaining a negative and limited style of football , with any incoming players selected to support his lacklustre tactics.
We need someone who is willing to work with our promising young players next season and I personally don’t see Dyche as someone capable of doing that.
We need a rebuild but let’s lay the foundations of a team that will be capable of developing into an skilful attacking side that befits an Everton team.
Even if we are destined to win nothing again , I would prefer to watch a team at least attempting to play football , rather than sitting through the negative football of this manager and his ilk.
It’s meant to be an entertainment after all not a form of purgatory you have to experience every weekend.

 

[Ferguson1878]

Yeah if we go down then any argument for spinning the wheel to stay up is gone. You don’t need a superstar manager in the championship. We can’t afford a change at that point. Let Dyche get rid of who he wants and put in place what’s needed to get up and then stay up. If we don’t progress at that point we might want to revisit it but at this moment in time a managerial change is completely and utterly pointless.

i see it the other way him choosing to play keane and godfrey at right back is a indication of what we can expect next season , no way should he get next season if that’s his thinking

 

[Azza]

To be honest I don't think anyone will keep the club up.

Even if there are additional signings which I doubt there will be now.

I said this in Jan before we got him in.

Yeah the squad is absolutely pants but he certainly isn't blameless here but the caveat is can Dyche do better than he's doing? Possibly.

What he certainly could be doing is give the perception that he is at least trying something.

Since he's come in we've conceded 22 goals in 13 games.

32 in 21 games for Lampard before he was sacked this season. So averaging more goals conceded per game than Lampard

So he certainly hasn't 'fixed' us defensively like Allardyce did.

Since he brought Keane back into the starting XI it's been shocking. 9 games he's started and conceded 18 goals! Yet he's persistent with playing him and Mina has been on the bench for every game Keane has started.

Then there is the Godfrey situation when Patterson is available.

And this mental tactic of having Doucoure being the most advanced midfielder is just staggeringly bizarre.

 

[Brennan]

Problem for me is that retaining Dyche means retaining a negative and limited style of football , with any incoming players selected to support his lacklustre tactics.
We need someone who is willing to work with our promising young players next season and I personally don’t see Dyche as someone capable of doing that.
We need a rebuild but let’s lay the foundations of a team that will be capable of developing into an skilful attacking side that befits an Everton team.
Even if we are destined to win nothing again , I would prefer to watch a team at least attempting to play football , rather than sitting through the negative football of this manager and his ilk.
It’s meant to be an entertainment after all not a form of purgatory you have to experience every weekend.

When Burnley got promoted in 13/14:

Ben Mee - 23 - 38 appearances
Kieran Trippier - 22 - 41 appearances
Sam Voles - 23 - 39 appearances
Danny Ings - 20 - 40 appearances
Junior Stanislas - 23 - 7 appearances

Not as if he never uses younger players.

And of course Burnley never had the kind of youth setup which Everton have.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Im not excusing failure, im suggesting that the failure is not Seans fault. Hes had 13 games for goodness sake, i mean is it from solid relegation form, gaurenteed to go down under Lampard to challenging for top half in that time with the exact same players and no goal scorers...
You are one of few people that i have heard say we can make a moderately succesful team out of the current sqaud. I was in that camp with Lampard, but now I am questioning it. Even when we put all our effort in im afraid we still are not good enough to be 'moderately' succesful without further well spent investment in the squad. Happy to give the youngsters a go, but who are they that can help with the current situation? Also their confidence would be absolutely battered throwing them into this chaos, hes probably protecting them from it knowing they are not ready.

I confess I have never rated this manager or the football his sides produce.
But I expected him to be a competent if unimaginative manager.
Well he has proved as lacking in imagination as I thought he would be.
What has surprised me is the level of incompetence and poor judgement this man has displayed here.
He is a poor quality manager in my opinion, and I’ve seen nothing to alter that view so far.
If he can’t save us he has failed and should be dismissed immediately.

 

[Bluelladevil]

Nah, nonsense that.

He was asked why he spent a long time in the dressing room, he said he didn't actually, he left the players have their say and then he had his say.

Anyone who has ever been in any dressing room in a competitive sport like football will know the immediate noise after a result will always be the players - managers usually wade in after. Dyche said he let the players have their say between eachother then he waded in an said his piece.

Normal.

Nah, Nonsense that.
We're in a relegation battle if you hadn't noticed. Do you seriously think Guardiola or Klopp would not be there? You're comparing amateur football to professional football which is ridiculous.

 

[bluejohn66]

The club was relegated by the board in January when the Transfer Window slammed shut. We knew it was gonna be a massive struggle to stay up with incompetent and talentless players, the same players who struggle to put a couple of simple 10 yard passes together. We've ended up lumping it up to a inept Dwarf, who when on the very rare occasion controls it, he either passes it to the other teams defence or chips it to their keeper, or runs (Slowly) down a blind alley. You don't stay up without Goals and you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Sadly Dyche is finding out what we knew in January !!!!

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Nah, Nonsense that.
We're in a relegation battle if you hadn't noticed. Do you seriously think Guardiola or Klopp would not be there? You're comparing amateur football to professional football which is ridiculous.

I'm comparing people with people.

Dressing rooms will have players kicking off with eachother after a bad result.

The quote you shared didn't include the entirety and without context. Dyche had his say, he just waited for the players to finish. That's normal.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Let's be honest here, virtually any other manager would have done better than he has with his results here. He's been abysmal.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Our only chance of fluking a few wins to survive is with a new manager bounce. Get a caretaker in and go after wins.

His negativity and dull football is the opposite of what we need. I will never accept negative park the bus football when you concede a tonne of goals and dont get results. Its unacceptable football.

 

[Ferguson1878]

Surely even our incompetent club management put an escape clause into Dyche’s contract, even they couldn’t tie us to his one dimensional style of football following relegation. Having said that would anyone be surprised if we found that we had to pay him a king’s ransom to get shot, if that is the case it would just be a further nail driven into the coffin by Blue Bill.
We aren’t relegated yet, we still have a chance despite very thing that is sensible pointing to our demise, if we do go down then ousting Sean Dyche shouldn’t be the first priority, we need to rid ourselves of the ownership, the board and anyone who has been responsible for any of the decisions that has made us the laughingstock we currently are. Allowing the current club management to select a new manager is insane, we need a reboot. These are the people who sold a current Brazilian international and bought Maupay and expected things to improve. They gambled with the future of an institution and they lost, time to pay up and get out of the people’s club.

says in the king article today they haven’t

 

[Cjplennon]

Nah, Nonsense that.
We're in a relegation battle if you hadn't noticed. Do you seriously think Guardiola or Klopp would not be there? You're comparing amateur football to professional football which is ridiculous.

Alex furgeson used to leave the players to stew after a defeat. So whats your point - are you a sports physiologist?

 

[Ferguson1878]

Yeah why would we want a man who’s promoted a team twice and then got that same team into Europe on a very tight budget in charge of a promotion challenge.

13/14 promotion 73 goals scored (only three teams scored more) 26 wins 5 defeats

15/16 promotion 72 goals scored 26 (TOP SCORERS) 26 wins 5 defeats

Some mad posts in here.

or was bombed out the same club more recently and no one [except us] has touched him since

 

[ToffeeTim]

Dyche out