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2022/23 Sean Dyche

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kiss the crest said:
When you say he has giving us a fighting chance, he hasn't he has won 1 game in 11 now he had the perfect chance to win that game yesterday by being proactive and managing the game as it was seen by every fan, he is not utilising the players at his disposal to give us that fighting chance, it's the other teams that are keeping Everton having a fighting chance because their not taking their chances Forest a perfect example on sat
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He has though. Look at that fixture list we were left with when he arrived end of January. All of our home games have been really tough games apart from id say ironically Fulham.

I’d say the only game we have really disappointed in is Fulham, when he didn’t manage the squad effectively enough with key players out. That’s been the massive disappointment.

We are an exceptionally poor side, with a squad decimated by the board. I honestly think him getting a point a game has been a pretty good return and given us a chance. We’d have been gone by now if bielsa came in imo.
 
NathDogg said:
Sorry but GAME MANAGEMENT.

Some saying he didn’t want to upset the balance and potentially loose the game when we’ve got lads blowing for tugs for the last 20 mins is some alternate reality nonsense. For me, there was more chance us conceding when players are crawling round the pitch done in.

Coady or Mina for the walking
catastrofuck Keane is a no brainier.

Doucure was so high he could have brought simms on and played the same way, and simms would have gave their two awful cbs something more to worry about.

Gray for iwobi and switch McNeil to the right, gray on be left and throw onana on for gana, who was on a yellow and knackered, and i think we beat them, at a time when wins are massive.
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Impressive swear filter dodge. Accurate, tbf.

I can see your view here, but if had have subbed on a few and we'd have gone on to lose he'd still be getting panned on here. He couldn't win in truth unless we snuck a win. Played it safe.

Not a high stakes gambler, clearly.
 
We tried the up coming manager is Martinez. He was great first season and then the second season every team realised he couldn’t train defence and or set pieces.

We went for Koeman who wasted loads of money, and generally did poor. Everyone wanted him out.

Sam Allerdyce did well but was deemed not good enough for us, we all wanted a better, up and coming manager.

We found another up and coming manager in Marco Silva. Again started well. Everyone wanted him gone. He went.

Carlo came in. He did wonders with the team and squad he had. Even some people hated him because of draws to Norwich at home etc. 46% win ratio and some people still weren’t happy with the quality of football.

Rafael, say no more.

Frank, again another up and coming manager. Couldn’t draw a game nevermind win.

Now we have Dyche. He has come into a disjointed, disillusioned club and again, 14 games in, people aren’t happy. We have lost 6 of those games, all to clubs who are in the top half of the table. If Frank could of got draws or saw games out then he would still be our boss and we would be safe from relegation.

What do people want? Dead attractive sexy football but a club batting relegation every year? Give me how we played yesterday any day of the week.
 

Not good enough. Blind loyalty sadly will be his demise. Not his fault he is here but nonetheless he is. One or two barnstorming performances do not excuse 7/8 drab performances. Imo we are cream crackered.
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
Impressive swear filter dodge. Accurate, tbf.

I can see your view here, but if had have subbed on a few and we'd have gone on to lose he'd still be getting panned on here. He couldn't win in truth unless we snuck a win. Played it safe.

Not a high stakes gambler, clearly.
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This is it, though, mate. He has been brought in specifically to make those crucial choices that turn draws into wins and get us clear of the mire.

As I said in an earlier post, if you look at 4 recent draws - Leicester, Palace, Spurs and Forest - if he’d been proactive with subs and, let’s say, won 2 and lost 2, we’d still be 2 points better off than we are now. Of course, we could have lost all four and we’d be on here bemoaning his choice of subs, but that’s the lot of a manager. If you’re going to bottle making choices for fear of making the wrong one, move aside and give someone with a pair of Jerry Halls the chance.

A point a game, over the course of a season, has us around the relegation places again most years. If, by some miracle, we stay up (we won’t FWIW), I don’t want his brand of socks on, lights off, missionary football.
 
Bez2k2k said:
We tried the up coming manager is Martinez. He was great first season and then the second season every team realised he couldn’t train defence and or set pieces.

We went for Koeman who wasted loads of money, and generally did poor. Everyone wanted him out.

Sam Allerdyce did well but was deemed not good enough for us, we all wanted a better, up and coming manager.

We found another up and coming manager in Marco Silva. Again started well. Everyone wanted him gone. He went.

Carlo came in. He did wonders with the team and squad he had. Even some people hated him because of draws to Norwich at home etc. 46% win ratio and some people still weren’t happy with the quality of football.

Rafael, say no more.

Frank, again another up and coming manager. Couldn’t draw a game nevermind win.

Now we have Dyche. He has come into a disjointed, disillusioned club and again, 14 games in, people aren’t happy. We have lost 6 of those games, all to clubs who are in the top half of the table. If Frank could of got draws or saw games out then he would still be our boss and we would be safe from relegation.

What do people want? Dead attractive sexy football but a club batting relegation every year? Give me how we played yesterday any day of the week.
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A manager who makes the obvious decision.

So you say that he's without fault and we should just tolerate the BS then? lol
 
We were already heading for relegation under Lampard. He should have been fired ahead of the six-week World Cup break and after two awful performances and defeats to Bournemouth. Yeah, yeah, I know - he’s a lovely guy and was a great player and all that stuff - he’s just not yet a good football manager.* We lost the opportunity to give a new manager time to reset the team and only got 1 more point and wasted the January transfer window. FFS

Dyche is not a particularly good manager either - just better than Lampard (14 points from 14 PL games with the same poor playing squad).

In any case, we need to get behind the team and manager for the final four games.

Whether we survive or not, we need a top-to-bottom overhaul in the summer.


*Chelsea have players that are immeasurably better than ours but Frank’s record of 4 PL defeats from 4 games means he is having no positive impact at a club where he is a legend - I will give him a pass on the two Real Madrid losses in the CL.
 

The one thing I’ve come to realise is that I’ve been worried about the players playing under pressure, the game last night dispelled some of that concern for me, but I’m starting to wonder now is whether Dyche can manage under pressure given his immobility during games to make substitutions/make formations. It’s one thing being down there with Burnley and another being down there with us….is he a rabbit in the headlights? Just a thought.
 
Brett Angell Delight said:
This is it, though, mate. He has been brought in specifically to make those crucial choices that turn draws into wins and get us clear of the mire.

As I said in an earlier post, if you look at 4 recent draws - Leicester, Palace, Spurs and Forest - if he’d been proactive with subs and, let’s say, won 2 and lost 2, we’d still be 2 points better off than we are now. Of course, we could have lost all four and we’d be on here bemoaning his choice of subs, but that’s the lot of a manager. If you’re going to bottle making choices for fear of making the wrong one, move aside and give someone with a pair of Jerry Halls the chance.

A point a game, over the course of a season, has us around the relegation places again most years. If, by some miracle, we stay up (we won’t FWIW), I don’t want his brand of socks on, lights off, missionary football.
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Equally, if we stay up by a point he was right. I was particularly furious with Lampard earlier in the season for losing to Wolves in the last minute. Should have shut up shop. As you say, the lot of the manager is to make decisions. Half the time it's dumb luck as you might get a winner or your idiot defence may gift a goal. This being Everton the latter is more likely.

The ideal would be to not have to frantically gnash our teeth like this over an away draw. Under more normal circumstances it would be a decent result. But years of arsewittery by those in charge have lead us here
 
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MikeH72 said:
Oh I agree, some people are deluded.

3 wins in 14. Fast approaching Lampard’s record for this season. But these are only facts, you don’t have to observe them.
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Frank drew 8 in 43. Dyche already 5 in 14. 5 points is better than 0 points. What do people want?
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
Equally, if we stay up by a point he was right. I was particularly furious with Lampard earlier in the season for losing to Wolves in the last minute. Should have shut up shop. As you say, the lot of the manager is to make decisions. Half the time it's dumb luck as you might get a winner or your idiot defence may gift a goal. Thus being Everton the latter is more likely.

The ideal would be to not have to frantically gnash our teeth like this over an away draw. Under more normal circumstances it would be a decent result. But years of arsewittery by those in charge have lead us here
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That last point is the one, for me. In isolation, even in their current form, a draw at Leicester isn’t a bad result. At this stage, though, I felt it was more “must win” than “mustn’t lose”.

Gray for Doucoure, with Iwobi slotting into CM, and/or Simms up with DCL for a double-grock battering ram play could have given their defenders - who we’d given a pretty torrid time to, tbf - nightmares after 70-75 mins.

Could have backfired, as you say all decisions can, but on the balance of how the game was going I’d have bet more on it putting them on the ropes for us to have a good few swings at.

As it is, now, it’s still out of our hands, with two likely wallopings on the horizon. A fluke result or two elsewhere and the game is up without us getting the chance to make the Bournemouth game count.
 

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