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2022/23 Sean Dyche

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Each to their own mate, lads are entitled to their opinion, dont agree myself, i think hes taken on probably the toughest job in the PL with the biggest limits. Its not like we're sitting here with him having dropped £50 mill a season, with a squad hes built, in a stable club, at a club that hasn't asset stripped all its best players, that isnt at Cival war, in a relegation battle - i mean in that context 10 games hes been here, to be overly harsh given the adversity i think is massively unjusitfed.
It is a tough job but it's also his job and he's not doing a good enough one, or at least self-sabotaging by stubbornness and just bizarre decisions.

No one should be faultless and it would be justified if he gets criticised - I don't think even his staunchest defenders can see the reason for late subs, never changing anything, etc. And I know the excuse is "but the quality of the bench" - okay, so Gray can start games and look good, score goals etc., but apparently off the bench he's gonna be crap? lol Not buying that, he's just afraid to change anything for some reason.
 
Each to their own mate, lads are entitled to their opinion, dont agree myself, i think hes taken on probably the toughest job in the PL with the biggest limits. Its not like we're sitting here with him having dropped £50 mill a season, with a squad hes built, in a stable club, at a club that hasn't asset stripped all its best players, that isnt at Cival war, in a relegation battle - i mean in that context 10 games hes been here, to be overly harsh given the adversity i think is massively unjusitfed.
Ultimately I just don’t appreciate his footballing style , never have.
But I have been surprised at how poor he has been since he arrived here.
His in game management, (something I value highly) isn’t just poor it’s non existent. He has been outmanaged numerous times since he arrived here, it’s sub standard fare to be honest.
As I have already stated if I was a casual supporter I definitely wouldn’t spend time and money on watching a Dyche team.
I would find it incredibly dispiriting if we chose to retain this manager beyond this season regardless of the outcome.
 
That's a balanced take honestly. We did start well with countering (or trying to as much as we can) but removed that quickly for... some reason. With DCL back there's more hope but there's also more hoof and less organisation. I have absolutely no doubt it's instructions as in the last game they just tried their best to aim at/around DCL and hope he does something somehow. It worked for the pen, obviously, but most the time it was "2-3 passes, reaches a winger, HOOF". That's not a good sign for the future, this is our current (limited, but still) best attacking lineup, and this is what the Dyche solution is? No movement and hoof don't present a good structure.

He's sussed out that we need to shoot and now we do so on sight FWIW, I personally like that in a combination with direct passing, fair enough.

The defending has been shocking, as has been his personal defending of Keane - that adds to the limited players instead of fixing them. Not that his replacements are Beckenbauers, but they're at least better, even Lamps saw it; he's just got a favourite though and will never drop him, ever, so that's also poor.

In general I see why/how it's about balance, but what he's trying to do isn't balance. We started off promising, 1 person from that setup out and instantly 4-4-2 high line, which was random and the effects were obvious as we were horrendous. He persisted with that though, because... reasons? And to your point about risk - there is no playing for a risky outcome here. We're going for safe draws and are happy with them, even if it costs us our prem place. That's what Dyche gives you.

Also to add to the boiling pot of criticism he suffers currently btw - our early wins when he came in were without Keane lol We played some very stable and decent stuff at the back with Coady and Tarks, but then had to change to the Deadly Burnley Duo as soon as Keggers was up and fit. Started him instantly against Arsenal in the return fixture and we got absolutely pumped - only did so because Coady got turned inside out badly by a pacy player... which is unironically what Keane does against not very pacy players lol but for Coady 1 mistake was enough whereas for Keggers giving away stupid penalties and making errors makes him the "best player on the pitch" and whatever other praise he heaped on him.

Then we go on to not using subs, or playing centre backs at right/left back because they have "experience"; it's what we knew was gonna happen but hoped he'd went out and learned. Alas, nothing like that, same old Dyche.

Someone said it in the Newcastle (I think?) thread - Howe, while 'away from the game', went to any manager with the idea to learn and improve and is now having his team play very well in so many ways. Dyche probably went on holiday for a bit then stayed up terrorising the housewives around Burnley.

His limitations are glaring and I'd prefer if he wasn't here to build anything with us after this season. We've also naturally gifted him a several year contract so we're stuck, like always.

Im not sure we go as direct as 100% as you say, we do go direct - with good reason as we saw under Lampard, we are painfully bad at getting the ball between the lines progressively - do we want Dyche to persevere with the Lampard way or vary it......

The shoot on site thing im not sure about to be honest, it kind of frustrates me in the sense - yeah it gives you a chance, but they are low % of success in the main - on the opposite end we've seen it work for Iwobi, Mc Neill and Doucoure and where else are the goals going to come from.

DCL in my view is a tool, he occupies centre backs, has physical presence, work rate and pace and can play to his back to goal - we would be mad not to use that - we haven't had it with Maupay and Gray - and we missied it -Ive no problem hitting him - i do have a problem with lads with the support play and the second ball that comes that would my critique of that method. But i dont think that's just the route we use all of time, that is being suggested.

Personally i dont think Keanes been half as bad as some are making out, he got done at Newcastle - the whole team did and i think their is fair point thee to say you could have used a different Centre back against a pacy Vardy - but then i dont see Mina or Coady doing particularly well on him either. I think Keane isn't that bad in transition playing out from the back or coming out and supporting the offensive play. Up to those two game i think hes been very good. Coadys form was worrying, Mina is unreliable - the manager picks a player no one will ever agree. Keane though the interesting thing - is every single manager always picks him - Sam, Silva, notably Carlo, now Dyche. I think lads are over doing on Keane in all honesty, hes had two bad games recently - you could query the selection as we know he struggles with pace, but then so do the alternatives apart from maybe Godfrey and he was last week Keane - again the limits of the squad.

I dont think we're going for safe draws myself at all mate, im actually surprised at how much we have gone after games - i was bricking it against Leicester, how open we were and how much we were committing. I think hes taking on a lot of risk, the few times we have been caught on the counter are indicative of that.

The use of the subs, admittedly i was screaming for them - particularly Gray and Onana on Monday - i would have taken off Iwobi and Garner, but i though he made a good point about the disruption that can cause with the game in the melting pot. You live ad die by that. Remember last year against Burnley away, Lampard brought on Kenny and we disintegrated from a winning positron to loosing, the opposite happens to.

No idea what he got up to in his time away from the game, but in all honesty you can find threads here like this one with lads making arguments against employing Eddie Howe. So it swings every way.

I think its bonkers to be make a concrete judgement on the man given the level of adversity hes walked into in this job, total bonkers in all honesty. My own take leave alone for three years and start to judge a year and half into that - thats what this club badly, badly needs - whether its to late or not for the PL, thats on a lot of things - but not the manager.

I dont think people know what they want form a manager to be honest mate, no personal offence intended.
 
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Ultimately I just don’t appreciate his footballing style , never have.
But I have been surprised at how poor he has been since he arrived here.
His in game management, (something I value highly) isn’t just poor it’s non existent. He has been outmanaged numerous times since he arrived here, it’s sub standard fare to be honest.
As I have already stated if I was a casual supporter I definitely wouldn’t spend time and money on watching a Dyche team.
I would find it incredibly dispiriting if we chose to retain this manager beyond this season regardless of the outcome.

I think hes very like Moyes mate in terms of philosophy, if you remember Moyes was often accused of similar things - yet he built this football back up from ground zero - i can see Dyche doing similar. Our performances have improved markedly then under our last two managers and frankly i think we have to be a bit self aware of how much the club has been asset stripped, how poor the players are and how toxic things are right now - our expectations of what is achievable have to be realistic, given that context and what hes walked in to.

In a weird way, people (and i dont mean you) dont like Dyche because its Dyche, but people liked Lamaprd because well he was Lampard.

i think the man will do a job here given time.
 

Ultimately I just don’t appreciate his footballing style , never have.
But I have been surprised at how poor he has been since he arrived here.
His in game management, (something I value highly) isn’t just poor it’s non existent. He has been outmanaged numerous times since he arrived here, it’s sub standard fare to be honest.
As I have already stated if I was a casual supporter I definitely wouldn’t spend time and money on watching a Dyche team.
I would find it incredibly dispiriting if we chose to retain this manager beyond this season regardless of the outcome.
Agree with all of this. For me, the only difference in Dyche's fate, should we somehow stay up, is that he gets sent packing with his huge bonus in his pocket. Whereas, should he relegate us, he gets sent packing without his bonus. I hope we don't make the same mistake we made with Lampard, I was in favour of his appointment and really wanted him to be given a chance. With hindsight, he should have had the bullet at the end of last season. Dyche has no more chance of turning it around here than Lampard did.

Irrespective of whether we stay up or go down, his record here is poor, the propensity he shows for playing favourites, his awful use of substitutes and the fact that he makes me want to clear my throat every time I hear him talk, leads me to think time is up for him at the end of the season, but, 'Everton aren't we' so, watch this space.
 
Ultimately I just don’t appreciate his footballing style , never have.
But I have been surprised at how poor he has been since he arrived here.
His in game management, (something I value highly) isn’t just poor it’s non existent. He has been outmanaged numerous times since he arrived here, it’s sub standard fare to be honest.
As I have already stated if I was a casual supporter I definitely wouldn’t spend time and money on watching a Dyche team.
I would find it incredibly dispiriting if we chose to retain this manager beyond this season regardless of the outcome.

Burnley realised the game has moved beyond managers like Dyche and got rid of him before completely ripping everything he’d built up and starting from scratch over one summer. Look at them now.
 
Im not sure we go as direct as 100% as you say, we do go direct - with good reason as we saw under Lampard, we are painfully bad at getting the ball between the lines progressively - do we want Dyche to persevere with the Lampard way or vary it......

The shoot on site thing im not sure about to be honest, it kind of frustrates me in the sense - yeah it gives you a chance, but they are low % of success in the main - on the opposite end we've seen it work for Iwobi, Mc Neill and Doucoure and where else are the goals going to come from.

DCL in my view is a tool, he occupies centre backs, has physical presence, work rate and pace and can play to his back to goal - we would be mad not to use that - we haven't had it with Maupay and Gray - and we missied it -Ive no problem hitting him - i do have a problem with lads with the support play and the second ball that comes that would my critique of that method. But i dont think that's just the route we use all of time, that is being suggested.

Personally i dont think Keanes been half as bad as some are making out, he got done at Newcastle - the whole team did and i think their is fair point thee to say you could have used a different Centre back against a pacy Vardy - but then i dont see Mina or Coady doing particularly well on him either. I think Keane isn't that bad in transition playing out from the back or coming out and supporting the offensive play. Up to those two game i think hes been very good. Coadys form was worrying, Mina is unreliable - the manager picks a player no one will ever agree. Keane though the interesting thing - is every single manager always picks him - Sam, Silva, notably Carlo, now Dyche. I think lads are over doing on Keane in all honesty, hes had two bad games recently - you could query the selection as we know he struggles with pace, but then so do the alternatives apart from maybe Godfrey and he was last week Keane - again the limits of the squad.

I dont think we're going for safe draws myself at all mate, im actually surprised at how much we have gone after games - i was bricking it against Leicester, how open we were and how much we were committing. I think hes taking on a lot of risk, the few times we have been caught on the counter are indicative of that.

The use of the subs, admittedly i was screaming for them - particularly Gray and Onana on Monday - i would have taken off Iwobi and Garner, but i though he made a good point about the disruption that can cause with the game in the melting pot. You live ad die by that. Remember last year against Burnley away, Lampard brought on Kenny and we disintegrated from a winning positron to loosing, the opposite happens to.

No idea what he got up to in his time away from the game, but in all honesty you can find threads here like this one with lads making arguments against employing Eddie Howe. So it swings every way.

I think its bonkers to be make a concrete judgement on the man given the level of adversity hes walked into in this job, total bonkers in all honesty. My own take leave alone for three years and start to judge a year and half into that - thats what this club badly, badly needs - whether its to late or not for the PL, thats on a lot of things - but not the manager.

I dont think people know what they want form a manager to be honest mate, no personal offence intended.
Too late, already offended! lol kidding obvs

I'd say 3 years is too long and genuinely don't agree, as you saw and I don't think I need to write all the stuff again, with some of the stuff. Melting pot during the game and all and Kenny is a good example... so are a million others of bringing on a player and him changing the game instantly for the better. One is the belated sub he made by introducing Simms to the game about 15 min too late. With the space Leicester, for example, but also Forest, left behind - not introducing Gray just solidifies one of two things - scared crapless to make a change, or inability to spot when to do so, both are horrendous for a future manager.

Keane hasn't been bad and has kept getting selected... in a low block. But he's being asked, once again, to not be a boat of a human being and move his legs, which he seems to be unable to do in a fast way - anything past a low block and he's way out of his depth.

Hope you're right and he improves mate, but I honestly don't think he will - this is the same Sean Dyche that he will always be, similar to how Fat Sam is and always knowing what you get.

I'd love for us to have a summer in whatever league and start playing the direct 4-5-1 we did in his first 2 games, but I suspect it won't be that for the majority of his time and he'll get the sack. Hope I'm wrong there and he ends up being The Worm Eating Diego Simeone... lol
 

I think hes very like Moyes mate in terms of philosophy, if you remember Moyes was often accused of similar things - yet he built this football back up from ground zero - i can see Dyche doing similar. Our performances have improved markedly then under our last two managers and frankly i think we have to be a bit self aware of how much the club has been asset stripped, how poor the players are and how toxic things are right now - our expectations of what is achievable have to be realistic, given that context and what hes walked in to.

In a weird way, people (and i dont mean you) dont like Dyche because its Dyche, but people liked Lamaprd because well he was Lampard.

i think the man will do a job here given time.
I was never a Moyes fan to be honest and in the in the pre -Kenwright era he would have been disposed of after 4 seasons of no success. But given that we were saddled with an owner who lacked any ability to fund the club (despite the massive amounts of money the club received every season) he was given forbearance from most , understandably.
Lampard got more leeway because his vision of the football he wanted us to eventually play was shared by many of the supporters.
In all honesty the differences between Lampard and Dyche are aesthetic, the reality is both have struggled to plot a path out of the relegation zone.
Both have failed and have proven
patently unfit to be Everton managers.
Dyche is just the latest name in a growing list of substandard appointments.
 
Lets wait and see how they'll cope with the Premier League teams first, eh?

They got totally spanked by City in the cup.

Arsenal got totally spanked by City, so did United, so did Liverpool, City are not the yardstick. Burnley will finish about mid table next season, bookmark this post.
 
Dyche’s press conference just released……
Michael starts as he’s been brilliant in defence. We don’t need subs as the team is performing to my satisfaction.
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