2023/24 Sean Dyche

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It could be argued that it was the 10 point deduction that fired the team up to get the four straight wins

All the stats before the points deduction were pointing towards and upward trajectory that wins would come.

Got a 10 points deduction on 17th November.

By that time we won against Brentford, Bournemouth, West Ham, and Palace, drew with Brighton and lost to the RS and Luton.

 

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Bournemouth have won 3 points less than us. They also haven’t won in 7 games. Luton have won 11 points less than us and have lost 3 in a row including at home against the bottom team.

Mad innit

 

[N0L1M1TK]

People applauding the defensive side of the team, can surely see it's in large to the fact that we play with every one in our own half for pretty much 90% of the game.

It's better organised than previously under Lampard (not hard) but you can argue Lampard was trying to play the side out of trouble, and actually get the ball forward, with Dyche it's a safety mentality.

The reason the forwards are all deemed terrible is because of the amount of defensive work he has them doing. They are expected to do the gritty work then be able to get forward and create opportunities for a forward who is isolated for the entire game feeding off nothing. The wide players are absolutely goosed, you can see that from a mile away. Again due to his stubbornness of willing to make subs.

We don't concede that goal yesterday if McNeil isn't doubled up as a full back in the 95th minute against 10 men. Your asking players who have spent their careers being told to go forward, who are meant to create and score goals and saying, actually can you just sit in front of the fullback and hold thier hands.

The most worrying thing for me, it's resembling the Benitez era... he had them good out of possession (for a while), good on the counter (not under Dyche), but what he did, just like what Dyche is doing now, is getting them to play without the ball - which is catastrophic. You can see they don't use the ball much in training.

The argument that Dyche is doing a fantastic job under circumstances is far fetched. He's crippling the sides ability to play football. Lampard said it when he came in after Benitez, there's players in the squad who can play with the ball, and for me that still stands now.

When people argue that the side can't play and the players are crap, but then are claiming members of the squad walk into top sides, It can't be both.

I think Dyche is doing an "OK" job. I wouldn't extend him beyond his contract though. If we do, it only goes one way.. a sacking and a large compensation payout...again.

 

[GrandOldSte117]

People applauding the defensive side of the team, can surely see it's in large to the fact that we play with every one in our own half for pretty much 90% of the game.

It's better organised than previously under Lampard (not hard) but you can argue Lampard was trying to play the side out of trouble, and actually get the ball forward, with Dyche it's a safety mentality.

The reason the forwards are all deemed terrible is because of the amount of defensive work he has them doing. They are expected to do the gritty work then be able to get forward and create opportunities for a forward who is isolated for the entire game feeding off nothing. The wide players are absolutely goosed, you can see that from a mile away. Again due to his stubbornness of willing to make subs.

We don't concede that goal yesterday if McNeil isn't doubled up as a full back in the 95th minute against 10 men. Your asking players who have spent their careers being told to go forward, who are meant to create and score goals and saying, actually can you just sit in front of the fullback and hold thier hands.

The most worrying thing for me, it's resembling the Benitez era... he had them good out of possession (for a while), good on the counter (not under Dyche), but what he did, just like what Dyche is doing now, is getting them to play without the ball - which is catastrophic. You can see they don't use the ball much in training.

The argument that Dyche is doing a fantastic job under circumstances is far fetched. He's crippling the sides ability to play football. Lampard said it when he came in after Benitez, there's players in the squad who can play with the ball, and for me that still stands now.

When people argue that the side can't play and the players are crap, but then are claiming members of the squad walk into top sides, It can't be both.

I think Dyche is doing an "OK" job. I wouldn't extend him beyond his contract though. If we do, it only goes one way.. a sacking and a large compensation payout...again.

'Crippling the sides ability to play football' - the reason we've been in a relegation battles for the previous 2 seasons is because this side can't play football.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

He has a team that has been in back to back relegation battles in 12th, 11 points clear of relegation. He can’t do anything about the points deduction.

It’s been a bad few months and it’s been a very hard watch recently but he’s done a good job. Anyone arguing for his sacking after the last few years is a lunatic.

 

[N0L1M1TK]

'Crippling the sides ability to play football' - the reason we've been in a relegation battles for the previous 2 seasons is because this side can't play football.

The reason we've been in a relegation battle for the past two seasons is because we hired Benitez when we never should.. And to rectify the damage done we hired a manager who some deemed likable but one who was never ready.

It's poor decisions in hiring managers and not allowing a clear and aligned structure to the club via the outlines of a DOF.

 

[USABlue]

He has a team that has been in back to back relegation battles in 12th, 11 points clear of relegation. He can’t do anything about the points deduction.

It’s been a bad few months and it’s been a very hard watch recently but he’s done a good job. Anyone arguing for his sacking after the last few years is a lunatic.

There can be nuance though, he's done a decent job given the circumstances overall but that doesn't mean he is beyond criticism and that his clear limitations as a manager shouldn't or can't be discussed. Don't think he should be sacked this season but don't think he should be re-upped for the future either.

 

[Lob]

He has a team that has been in back to back relegation battles in 12th, 11 points clear of relegation. He can’t do anything about the points deduction.

It’s been a bad few months and it’s been a very hard watch recently but he’s done a good job. Anyone arguing for his sacking after the last few years is a lunatic.

Some people wanted him sacked before he was even appointed mate. lol

The 10 point deduction has effected everyone, Dyche included. Must be tough trying to get the whole team in the right state of mind after the way we have been treated by the Premier League this season. Sure we are on a poor run and they all need to do a lot better but there is no escaping that without the penalty we are 12th which is an improvement from last season and if we hadn't been abused who knows how the last couple of months would have played out. The PL have damaged our whole season no matter how you look at it.

 

[ForeverEverton]

And no goal from your main striker since october isnt helping. Thats not all on dyche. Dont expect loads from them. But nothing in nearly 5 months is atrocious.

This argument that Dyche can`t impact the goal scoring of this team yet laud over our defensive record.... you can`t have it both ways. If he can`t affect the scoring of the team, in your mind, you can`t give him credit for the defensive performance either....

 

[Gilbert..]

This argument that Dyche can`t impact the goal scoring of this team yet laud over our defensive record.... you can`t have it both ways. If he can`t affect the scoring of the team, in your mind, you can`t give him credit for the defensive performance either....

Of course you can. Dyche's teams have always started from defence. If he could master teams not scoring against his sides and banging them in the other end then he'd be at Barcelona. Thats the blueprint for any manager. Stop em going in. Put them in the net the other end.
The defensive side is ok. As for the other. Im not talking about sweeping majestic football that ends in loads of goals. But im sure even he didnt think the clubs main striker would miss everything since last october.
Our goal difference at the moment is possibly worth a point down there. If our two forwards had managed more than a woeful 4 goals between them we'd be imo at least 7 or 8 points better off. Dyche cant do anything about beto putting the ball over the bar from 2 yards against fulham.

 

[ForeverEverton]

People applauding the defensive side of the team, can surely see it's in large to the fact that we play with every one in our own half for pretty much 90% of the game.

It's better organised than previously under Lampard (not hard) but you can argue Lampard was trying to play the side out of trouble, and actually get the ball forward, with Dyche it's a safety mentality.

The reason the forwards are all deemed terrible is because of the amount of defensive work he has them doing. They are expected to do the gritty work then be able to get forward and create opportunities for a forward who is isolated for the entire game feeding off nothing. The wide players are absolutely goosed, you can see that from a mile away. Again due to his stubbornness of willing to make subs.

We don't concede that goal yesterday if McNeil isn't doubled up as a full back in the 95th minute against 10 men. Your asking players who have spent their careers being told to go forward, who are meant to create and score goals and saying, actually can you just sit in front of the fullback and hold thier hands.

The most worrying thing for me, it's resembling the Benitez era... he had them good out of possession (for a while), good on the counter (not under Dyche), but what he did, just like what Dyche is doing now, is getting them to play without the ball - which is catastrophic. You can see they don't use the ball much in training.

The argument that Dyche is doing a fantastic job under circumstances is far fetched. He's crippling the sides ability to play football. Lampard said it when he came in after Benitez, there's players in the squad who can play with the ball, and for me that still stands now.

When people argue that the side can't play and the players are crap, but then are claiming members of the squad walk into top sides, It can't be both.

I think Dyche is doing an "OK" job. I wouldn't extend him beyond his contract though. If we do, it only goes one way.. a sacking and a large compensation payout...again.

Great post...

 

[ForeverEverton]

Of course you can. Dyche's teams have always started from defence. If he could master teams not scoring against his sides and banging them in the other end then he'd be at Barcelona. Thats the blueprint for any manager. Stop em going in. Put them in the net the other end.
The defensive side is ok. As for the other. Im not talking about sweeping majestic football that ends in loads of goals. But im sure even he didnt think the clubs main striker would miss everything since last october.
Our goal difference at the moment is possibly worth a point down there. If our two forwards had managed more than a woeful 4 goals between them we'd be imo at least 7 or 8 points better off. Dyche cant do anything about beto putting the ball over the bar from 2 yards against fulham.

Defensively - great and all on Dyche
Lack of goalscoring - All on the players, nothing to do with our wingers playing as wingbacks to a back 4 and the strikers being asked to defend before attack and being isolated by his outdated tactics...

Players will miss chances, like they will score own goals or give away penalties but to say they aren`t both results of the manager is naive at best.

 

[Gilbert..]

Defensively - great and all on Dyche
Lack of goalscoring - All on the players, nothing to do with our wingers playing as wingbacks to a back 4 and the strikers being asked to defend before attack and being isolated by his outdated tactics...

Players will miss chances, like they will score own goals or give away penalties but to say they aren`t both results of the manager is naive at best.

Dyche is dyche. Not even debating that. You know what you're getting. But without the points deduction we'd be boring mid table. Thats why he was brought in. With the points deduction we'd be a few points better off if the forwards had got more than 4 between them. We're currently 10th in the league for creating chances. Bournemouth are below us for creating chances. Solanke has 14 goals. Calvert lewin has 3. Theres your fine margin of why we're still bang in trouble.

 

[MACCA75]

'Crippling the sides ability to play football' - the reason we've been in a relegation battles for the previous 2 seasons is because this side can't play football.

We’ve had Benitez, who didn’t try, and Lampard, who just isn’t a good coach.

A good coach would have this team keeping the ball better. That is undeniable. Whether results would improve is debatable.

 

[msb]

It is clear that Everton are now playing to a plan, something we have not done since Moyes (although we may have done under Carlo).

The plan is based on being hard to beat, defending well and a quick break out to score. Our problem is we are not that quick in midfield and forwards have forgotten how to score.

Several things are going against us

1: Penalty points deduction, nothing more needs to be said.
2: Not a single penalty awarded, despite many obvious instances.
3: Somewhat poor refereeing, inconsistent in the same game for yellow cards etc.

Points 1-3 are not the manager’s fault.

We are so broke we cannot afford to replace our sluggish midfield and failing strikers, again financially it is not the manager’s fault.

In the circumstances I am relatively happy with the manager’s performance, albeit it would be good to see a few wins!