GrandOldSte117
Player Valuation: £20m
The pragmatism is what's won us more points than last season though.
We were the better team against Spurs because of the way they play and our pressing being able to exploit that.
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We were the better team against Spurs because of the way they play and our pressing being able to exploit that.
Delargeinho
Player Valuation: £15m
He's not the right manager in the long term, but I'm 100% sure Dyche would do better than Kompany with the current Burnley team. Imo they are better on paper than Sheffield and Luton and should be above them. They look dreadful offensively and defensively this season -33 goal difference. About the spending, in Dyche's 10yrs from 12/13 to 21/22 200 million pounds were spent, and 130 were received. Which means around 70 net spend. In the 2 Kompany seasons 130 were spent and 80 received, = 50 net. Source: transfermarkt.de
If you have time, delve into the vaults on the topic of Kompany and Dyche from last season. Its magic.
Delargeinho
Player Valuation: £15m
I will do it, once I got time. I watched Burnley the last season 4-5 times and yes the football was miles better than in Dyche's time, no doubt about that.
In the end, football is a result sport and points count and u don't win the beauty contest with it. The Championship and Prem League are different levels. Burnley failed to adapt to the league level. Norwich showed a few times how difficult that is. I was pretty sure that this type of football wouldn't work for team like Burnley which are a top 3 side on 2nd tier level, but bottom 3 on 1st league level.
Dyche never played mind-blowing football, but in the majority of his time at Burnley, they were an opponent you hated to face because you knew it wouldn't be a beautiful game to watch and you play a persistent team that can get unexpected points. I don't know what Burnley stands for this season and don't have this feeling right now.
Hoofball is dyche’s style , he ain’t changing. I want a manager who wants to play more football who coaches players actual patterns of play, who will attack teams especially at home instead of sitting back and boring everyone to tears. And can change to in game situations and not just to a Plan A.
Well Dobbin has had an hour since his Chelsea goal, in 11 games I think it is, and in that time doucoure and danjuma have been out, he’s given more game time on the wing to Ashley young. Beto has deserved more minutes to. The last 2 games he’s left Onana on the bench, he’s picked a CB at right back.
Im not saying dobbin and Beto or Patterson are the answer. But regarding the front line. McNeil, Harrison and DCL have had really poor seasons yet get picked 9 times out of 10
But it’s a similar situation with us and Moyes. He made us a very steady top 8 side, but he couldn’t take us any further, never won at the big 4 and bottled a number of big games, because ultimately he was a safety first manager.
I bet all these non Everton fans, pundits, journalists think 95% of Everton fans would take Moyes back tomorrow when in reality it’s probably 50/50. Because we all know what we’re getting.
And it could be the same with Burnley fans, maybe they will take being a yo-yo club for a few years, because of a different mentality shift at the club and a different more easy in the eye style, buying different types of players, not just 6ft 4 brutes
After 10yrs of dyche. And it was dyche that get them relegated and it was inevitable in the end as they’d been close for a few seasons.
You’re just a glass half empty while I’m a glass half full, that’s the difference.
The majority of fans thought moshiri was going to be the bees knees, but he wasn’t most think 777 are going to be disastrous, they’re selling all our best players and not replacing them, they’re selling BMD and giving dyche a 10yr deal and sticking his face on the side of the new ground.
We don’t know if it will be 777 or somebody else, but change Is coming and we have to hope it’s for the better. Maybe they will get in a board that actually knows what they’re doing, unlike moshiri and a sporting teams and let’s them do the job and not have every Tom, [Poor language removed] and harry thinking they’re experts when it comes to buying players and listening to agents in their ears.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Any neutral seeing we have:
A: The 4th best defence in the league.
B: 2nd highest team to hit the woodwork
C: Create 10th most chances
Would surely assume were a top 6 side.
But as our forwards dont score instead many of our fans blame Dyche.
Mad.
Canuck Darryl
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Dyche has the squad in 12th place. It’s Moshiri that has the club at no. 15.( or worse).
SD is doing alright on a nonexistent budget and premier league rules hanging over his head.
SD is doing alright on a nonexistent budget and premier league rules hanging over his head.
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Titus Bramble
Best centre half to grace the Premier League
Top 6 is a bit fanciful. More like solid midtable with an outside chance of squeezing into the top 8.
But our chance creation stats have dropped over the last couple of months. Are teams setting up to nullify us. Playing 3 big centre backs, working harder to stop our threats from set pieces. Let’s see if dyche’s has answers, because going off the run we’re on, which is relegation form he doesn’t
Get a pen and keeping writing down the odds until the pen runs out, there the odds I will give you,
That we ever get top 8 under dyche.
Billy Dean
Player Valuation: £70m
I agree with you in part. It's possible to not like everything he does but at the same time think he's done a good job overall so far, considering all the circus that's been going on in the background and the lack of available funds for transfers.
On how good we are to watch, I think we dropped off a cliff in that regard after the Duke's injury at the back end of last year. Up to that point we were looking quite good going forward. Yes we were still very direct, which some don't like, but we had a good press going on and were countering well and created a lot of chances. Duke's injury derailed us a little bit because we don't have another player with his skillset. You could then blame Dyche for not having a plan B but I think that's a bit unfair considering our lack of financial resources.
The time to sack him IMO would be when we once again have the squad and budget capable of finishing midtable. If we have that and still finishing 16th/17th then that would be the time to get rid, but we seem miles off that at the moment. He's shown in his time here that he's capable of developing his style, we're better to watch than his Burnely team was, so personally I'd have no problem with him still being in charge if/when we have more money available for transfers to see what he can do. He'll always have a direct style but might be able to refine that with a proper squad at his disposal
That's great and all but your glass half full positive outlook is having the weird effect of you bashing this thread with negativity every day saying the same thing. I'm an optimist that hates the kind of football we play now, but our current situation dictates to me that the only goal is staying up and everything else takes a back seat for now.
I don't think the thread would have half as many posts attempting to give context for our crap football and manager if there wasn't such posts moaning about progressive football and dreaming of change without even slightly mentioning the risks and impact of the change failing
You seemingly have no care for the possible negative consequences of what you are demanding.
Write a post without moaning about the same things on Dyche and explain why in the scenario where we do not clearly strengthen the squad in the summer or even possibly somehow look worse that you would criticise other fans for preferring we just stick with the manager who has shown he can grind out enough points to stay up
I think as with most arguments on the forum it can be a bit pointless if everybody comes from a different starting point which they can't agree on. I'd say 90% of posters contributing to or reading this thread think the only thing that is important right now/next season is staying up. You don't seem to be as worried about our situation and prefer to dream of having money in the summer, so your stance will never be agreed on by most until circumstances change in reality
Nobody cares about Dyches ceiling or that he will never change or try play better football. The argument doesn't matter as we will almost all be asking for him to go if we somehow get to a more stable situation off the pitch. But right now, we just care if he keeps us up
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £60m
Over the summer it's likely our best players are going to be sold to service the debt and we'll be left with a worse team than this time around. The teams coming up from the Championship are also going to give it a proper go next season so I'll bet another relegation battle beckons. In that scenario, Dyche is the best we can hope for and I actually think he'd be able to find a club in less turmoil than us if he wanted to go.
You're clinging to the notion that we are a big draw for a manager. That's something from a bygone era now. The only people in world football that really think that now are some of our fans. Even our owner has given up hope on that.
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