2023/24 Sean Dyche

[Titus Bramble]

Its pretty clear that i was talking about the three stats mentioned in the thread.

Peculiar to think otherwise.

Adding in how poor our forwards finish would support my overall point that the tactics are effective but our forwards need upgrading.

I find it peculiar you're tailoring your stats to try and artificially inflate where we 'should' be. Hey ho.

 

[blueboy72]

Its pretty clear that i was talking about the three stats mentioned in the thread.

Peculiar to think otherwise.

Adding in how poor our forwards finish would support my overall point that the tactics are effective but our forwards need upgrading.

What do we really create from open play, not much imo. DCL has missed a few headers from deep crosses, but most of chances come from set pieces. We don’t open teams up from open play or very rarely

 

[Titus Bramble]

But palace missed plenty of chances so did Fulham. It’s like it’s one way street when it’s not

Aye it's certainly not.

I reckon on balance we've probably missed more sitters than our opponents have missed against us.

Ultimately, we're a lower mid-table side (as backed up by points we've earned). If we had better forwards, we'd probably have scored more goals and therefore be higher up the table.

But we don't. so we're not.

 

[NeilMorepies]

Dyche is totally built for our situation.
A true dog of war.
Has created a team from the dregs of failed squads and a few frees.
Best manager we could have hoped for given where we are at as a club.

 

[blueboy72]

Those stats both support my point. We need to upgrade our forwards.

We don’t go forward as a team though it’s long hopeful punts, 2nd balls set pieces

Get attacking full backs, get a better technical number 10. Get pacy wingers who can score. All things that ain’t happening under dyche

 

[blueboy72]

Aye it's certainly not.

I reckon on balance we've probably missed more sitters than our opponents have missed against us.

Ultimately, we're a lower mid-table side (as backed up by points we've earned). If we had better forwards, we'd probably have scored more goals and therefore be higher up the table.

But we don't. so we're not.

And every team in the bottom
Half can say the same

 

[kenada_blue]

Looking at our stats (aside from finishing) we look top 6. Thats it, thats the point.



A pragmatic team put together for barely any money compared with competitiors?

Totally unattractive name, brand & location.

As for Dyche leaving in the summer.

Were 4th now for our defence, 10th down from 8th with injuries for chances created and 2nd for hitting the woodwork.

What places do you think those 3 stats would be next season if we changed manager?

Because without better finishers we wont be climbing the table with anyone.



Does he have "supporters" ?

Or is he building good faith by having good stats (why everyone including me lauded Potter) and getting points on the board?

I wanted Silva to stay, I also wanted us to bring Potter in due to his teams stats. Those stats were very similar to Dyche in terms of everything looking good aside from forwards missing chances.

But but but you can get the same stats by passing the ball about too. Which seems to be argument.

The goal is the same regardless. People just get worked up because it's not "the right way" of getting there.

Martinez' side passed it around nice. In fact played some of the best football the club has seen for decades. Lot of anger with that too. With, on paper, a better squad.

Koeman's was pretty functional and not entertaining.

I remember plenty of 0 shots on target under Moyes' tenure.

Bottom line...manager should go if he's not getting results not because it's pretty.

 

[kenada_blue]

We don’t go forward as a team though it’s long hopeful punts, 2nd balls set pieces

Get attacking full backs, get a better technical number 10. Get pacy wingers who can score. All things that ain’t happening under dyche

Ain't happening under anyone as the club has no money

 

[blueboy72]

Ain't happening under anyone as the club has no money

There’s a way around buying players especially when we could sell over 100mil of players. We will buy players in tbe summer, but nio point in buying attacking players if dyche is still here

 

[blueboy72]

But but but you can get the same stats by passing the ball about too. Which seems to be argument.

The goal is the same regardless. People just get worked up because it's not "the right way" of getting there.

Martinez' side passed it around nice. In fact played some of the best football the club has seen for decades. Lot of anger with that too. With, on paper, a better squad.

Koeman's was pretty functional and not entertaining.

I remember plenty of 0 shots on target under Moyes' tenure.

Bottom line...manager should go if he's not getting results not because it's pretty.

He’s not getting results we’re in relegation form

 

[Zatara]

I find it peculiar you're tailoring your stats to try and artificially inflate where we 'should' be. Hey ho.

I havent tailored any stats lol i stated (correctly) that the stats (posted not by me) being discussed would have neutrals thinking were from a top 6 side.

Showing finishing stats would support my point further that the effectiveness of our tactics is high, but the players finishing it at fault.

Theres no skin in the game for me, its just common sense.

What do we really create from open play, not much imo. DCL has missed a few headers from deep crosses, but most of chances come from set pieces. We don’t open teams up from open play or very rarely

Why does it matter how we score? As long as we win games i couldnt care less if the games are tiki taka or hoofball. As we evolve to a higher placing in the league perhaps things are tweaked.

Until that point i just want results...which means better forwards.

Aye it's certainly not.

I reckon on balance we've probably missed more sitters than our opponents have missed against us.

Ultimately, we're a lower mid-table side (as backed up by points we've earned). If we had better forwards, we'd probably have scored more goals and therefore be higher up the table.

But we don't. so we're not.

Thats exactly what im saying.

We don’t go forward as a team though it’s long hopeful punts, 2nd balls set pieces

Get attacking full backs, get a better technical number 10. Get pacy wingers who can score. All things that ain’t happening under dyche

Why do all those things? Why not continue the same with more effective forwards?

But but but you can get the same stats by passing the ball about too. Which seems to be argument.

The goal is the same regardless. People just get worked up because it's not "the right way" of getting there.

Martinez' side passed it around nice. In fact played some of the best football the club has seen for decades. Lot of anger with that too. With, on paper, a better squad.

Koeman's was pretty functional and not entertaining.

I remember plenty of 0 shots on target under Moyes' tenure.

Bottom line...manager should go if he's not getting results not because it's pretty.

Graham Potter lots of fancy stats at Brighton but the main one was his forwards (incl Maupay) missing sitters so they werent further up the table.

Same with Dyche in terms of poor finishing.

 

[Delargeinho]

Taken from the relegation thread.

For a while it looked as though Everton’s points deduction for breaching Premier League profit and sustainability rules would be the galvanising force Sean Dyche needed to get his brutal, blunt-force football truly up and running at Goodison Park.
There is nothing better for a drill sergeant type than a cause to fight for and an enemy to fight against.
And then winter happened, Everton froze, and all of a sudden they’re left in the ignominious position of celebrating winning an appeal not on principle, but because the four points clawed back are as many as they’ve won on the pitch in the last five matches.
The bad run goes back further than that. Everton have gone nine Premier League matches without a win.


They’ve won one of the last 13 in all competitions, and that was a 1-0 victory over a rock-bottom Crystal Palace in the FA Cup.
The last time Dyche experienced a run like this he limped on for a couple of months before being sacked in April 2022, too late to save Burnley from relegation.
Everton could easily go the same way, and not only because there is a second accusation of breaching profit and sustainability rules hanging over them.

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Premier League relegation odds (via Sky Bet)​

• Sheffield Utd - 1/100
• Burnley - 1/16
• Luton Town - 8/15
• Nottingham Forest - 2/1
• Everton - 15/2

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Struggling to convert chances​

They could go that way for one simple reason: Dominic Calvert-Lewin has forgotten how to score.
Calvert-Lewin has scored three goals from an xG of 9.0, giving him the largest under-performance (-6.0) in the Premier League. His missed opportunities account for 60% of Everton’s total score of -10.0, which is by a distance the worst in the division.
Not even Chelsea are as bad at missing chances.

Dominic Calvert-Lewin has been struggling to score
In better news, such terrible finishing has hidden a genuinely brilliant defensive record.
They have only conceded six goals in their last six Premier League matches. Incredibly, they have the fourth-best defensive record in the division, conceding just 34 goals, with only Arsenal, Manchester City, and Liverpool letting in fewer.
It’s no surprise, then, that Everton are all the way up in eighth on the expected points models, with 39.24 points, some 8.24 fewer more than they’ve won on the pitch (not accounting for the six they have been docked).
It puts them just five points behind Aston Villa (44.95 points) in the fourth Champions League spot.

There's been calls for England involvement for Jarrad Branthwaite
Based on those numbers, Dyche has every right to assume his luck will soon change, yet as the weeks tick by with Calvert-Lewin’s finishing failing to improve, Everton will eventually run out of road.
At Brighton last weekend, Calvert-Lewin didn’t manage a single shot on goal. That has only happened four times this season, and yet without a goal since October 29 it could soon become a trend as confidence wanes.
Maybe at some point Calvert-Lewin will find the net this season, at which point the goals may start flowing, but if he does not Everton will need to hope the return of their central midfield somehow brings goals from elsewhere in the team.

Availability issues in midfield​

A mixture of injuries and the African Cup of Nations have restricted game-time for Abdoulaye Doucoure (three starts since December 16), Amadou Onana (one Premier League start since December 30) and Idrissa Gueye (four starts since December 23).
Dyche’s first choice midfield three haven’t played together since December 10, during an impressive 2-0 victory over Chelsea. It is no coincidence that a victory over Burnley six days later was the last time Everton won three points.
Beyond the obvious point that Everton will perform better when they have those three powerful tacklers side-by-side in a Dyche midfield, Onana and Gueye back together means Doucoure can be pushed back into the number ten role, from where he has become Everton’s top goalscorer in the Premier League this season with six.
But when Gueye or Onana are missing, Doucoure tends to be moved deeper, leaving Everton without a single player capable of putting the ball in the net.

Arnaut Danjuma has been plagued with injuries but has still managed to under-hit his xG to -1.6. Beto, with a single league goal to his name since arriving from Udinese, is on -2.3.
Fortunately, this Saturday’s home game against West Ham is an opportunity for Dyche to turn things around before supporters begin to question his leadership.
Onana, Gueye, and Doucoure should be capable of winning the midfield battle against a West Ham team yet to win an away game in 2024.
Better yet, David Moyes’s side have conceded at least twice in each of their last four matches; 13 in total, including a 6-0 defeat to Arsenal in their most recent away.
It is a huge chance, and all the more significant for being Everton’s last home game – aside from the visit of Liverpool – between now and April 6.
By then, Everton will surely be back in the bottom three if they still haven’t won at Goodison Park this calendar year.
Calvert-Lewin: it is now or never.

 

[kenada_blue]

He’s not getting results we’re in relegation form

Based on playing Spurs (5th) and City (2nd) twice, Villa (4th) the and Brighton (7th).

It's called a tough run.

 

[kenada_blue]

Taken from the relegation thread.

For a while it looked as though Everton’s points deduction for breaching Premier League profit and sustainability rules would be the galvanising force Sean Dyche needed to get his brutal, blunt-force football truly up and running at Goodison Park.
There is nothing better for a drill sergeant type than a cause to fight for and an enemy to fight against.
And then winter happened, Everton froze, and all of a sudden they’re left in the ignominious position of celebrating winning an appeal not on principle, but because the four points clawed back are as many as they’ve won on the pitch in the last five matches.
The bad run goes back further than that. Everton have gone nine Premier League matches without a win.


They’ve won one of the last 13 in all competitions, and that was a 1-0 victory over a rock-bottom Crystal Palace in the FA Cup.
The last time Dyche experienced a run like this he limped on for a couple of months before being sacked in April 2022, too late to save Burnley from relegation.
Everton could easily go the same way, and not only because there is a second accusation of breaching profit and sustainability rules hanging over them.

---

Premier League relegation odds (via Sky Bet)​

• Sheffield Utd - 1/100
• Burnley - 1/16
• Luton Town - 8/15
• Nottingham Forest - 2/1
• Everton - 15/2

---

Struggling to convert chances​

They could go that way for one simple reason: Dominic Calvert-Lewin has forgotten how to score.
Calvert-Lewin has scored three goals from an xG of 9.0, giving him the largest under-performance (-6.0) in the Premier League. His missed opportunities account for 60% of Everton’s total score of -10.0, which is by a distance the worst in the division.
Not even Chelsea are as bad at missing chances.

Dominic Calvert-Lewin has been struggling to score
In better news, such terrible finishing has hidden a genuinely brilliant defensive record.
They have only conceded six goals in their last six Premier League matches. Incredibly, they have the fourth-best defensive record in the division, conceding just 34 goals, with only Arsenal, Manchester City, and Liverpool letting in fewer.
It’s no surprise, then, that Everton are all the way up in eighth on the expected points models, with 39.24 points, some 8.24 fewer more than they’ve won on the pitch (not accounting for the six they have been docked).
It puts them just five points behind Aston Villa (44.95 points) in the fourth Champions League spot.

There's been calls for England involvement for Jarrad Branthwaite
Based on those numbers, Dyche has every right to assume his luck will soon change, yet as the weeks tick by with Calvert-Lewin’s finishing failing to improve, Everton will eventually run out of road.
At Brighton last weekend, Calvert-Lewin didn’t manage a single shot on goal. That has only happened four times this season, and yet without a goal since October 29 it could soon become a trend as confidence wanes.
Maybe at some point Calvert-Lewin will find the net this season, at which point the goals may start flowing, but if he does not Everton will need to hope the return of their central midfield somehow brings goals from elsewhere in the team.

Availability issues in midfield​

A mixture of injuries and the African Cup of Nations have restricted game-time for Abdoulaye Doucoure (three starts since December 16), Amadou Onana (one Premier League start since December 30) and Idrissa Gueye (four starts since December 23).
Dyche’s first choice midfield three haven’t played together since December 10, during an impressive 2-0 victory over Chelsea. It is no coincidence that a victory over Burnley six days later was the last time Everton won three points.
Beyond the obvious point that Everton will perform better when they have those three powerful tacklers side-by-side in a Dyche midfield, Onana and Gueye back together means Doucoure can be pushed back into the number ten role, from where he has become Everton’s top goalscorer in the Premier League this season with six.
But when Gueye or Onana are missing, Doucoure tends to be moved deeper, leaving Everton without a single player capable of putting the ball in the net.

Arnaut Danjuma has been plagued with injuries but has still managed to under-hit his xG to -1.6. Beto, with a single league goal to his name since arriving from Udinese, is on -2.3.
Fortunately, this Saturday’s home game against West Ham is an opportunity for Dyche to turn things around before supporters begin to question his leadership.
Onana, Gueye, and Doucoure should be capable of winning the midfield battle against a West Ham team yet to win an away game in 2024.
Better yet, David Moyes’s side have conceded at least twice in each of their last four matches; 13 in total, including a 6-0 defeat to Arsenal in their most recent away.
It is a huge chance, and all the more significant for being Everton’s last home game – aside from the visit of Liverpool – between now and April 6.
By then, Everton will surely be back in the bottom three if they still haven’t won at Goodison Park this calendar year.
Calvert-Lewin: it is now or never.

Spins stats a lot of ways to make things sound like it's a panic.

1 win in 13 - Palace (fa cup)

Or

Lost 6 in 13 - Spurs, City (2), Wolves, Luton (fa cup) Fulham (EFL cup pens)

Drew 6 out 13 - Spurs, Villa, Brighton, Fulham, Palace (2 +fa cup).

1 win.

46% drawn. 46% loss. 8% won.

Out of those 13 games only arguably 7 (Palace 2, Luton, Fulham 2, Brighton, Wolves) games were "on paper" winnable. 4 of them were away.

We won 1. Lost 3 (one on pens). Drew 2.

The remaining 6 games where we're not expected to win....Spurs (2), City (2), Brighton, Villa.

We lost 3 and drew 3.

Almost 50% of games we're getting points.








*Throws fishing rod.

 

[blueboy72]

I havent tailored any stats lol i stated (correctly) that the stats (posted not by me) being discussed would have neutrals thinking were from a top 6 side.

Showing finishing stats would support my point further that the effectiveness of our tactics is high, but the players finishing it at fault.

Theres no skin in the game for me, its just common sense.



Why does it matter how we score? As long as we win games i couldnt care less if the games are tiki taka or hoofball. As we evolve to a higher placing in the league perhaps things are tweaked.

Until that point i just want results...which means better forwards.



Thats exactly what im saying.



Why do all those things? Why not continue the same with more effective forwards?



Graham Potter lots of fancy stats at Brighton but the main one was his forwards (incl Maupay) missing sitters so they werent further up the table.

Same with Dyche in terms of poor finishing.

Potter got Brighton to 9th after 2 years of changing Chris houghtons dog and duck side. And now Brighton are seen as a brilliant run top half prem team. Proof in the pudding of what can happen when you
Have a plan.
And not just accept [Poor language removed] football and and praying you finish 17th in the league.

We also ain’t winning games 3 wins at home all
Season or had that escaped your notice