Bob Elstone
Player Valuation: £35m
Dyche has proven he doesn’t have a clue how to solve the goals problem.
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Dyche doesn't think he needs a specialist attacking coach, he got quite arsey with a journalist who asked him about it, Dyche's reply was that it wasn't needed, he added that he didn't have a specialist set piece coach but he seems to be doing ok without one. He'd be much more likeable if he wasn't such a smart arse.
He’s had a better squad than what Lampard had last year. He lost Mina and Godfrey first game, doucoure 2nd game at villa, you know the same guy, who everyone has made excuses for dyche not winning games because doucoure was injured. Lampard had holgate playing games, Tom Davies and Rondon up front , before we bought maupay.
I think it’s hard to make players better unless they’re youngsters, but good managers find other ways to improve as a collective. Dyche is a one trick pony, yes it will probably keep us up most seasons. But we ain’t getting anywhere long term
Problem is we have tough away games, where we’ve got more of our points from this season, and on paper easier games at home, where we’ve struggled. Teams like Forest, Brentford, will most likely set up to defend and that’s where we/dyche struggle. Also we will be bang under pressure at home, because we will definitely need to win at least 2 of Them, 3 if we don’t win an away game
Joewood1889
Player Valuation: £750k
The issue now is he seemingly won’t be sacked during this 3 week break so if we come back and lose to Bournemouth and Newcastle we’re essentially down IMO. Not relying on those home fixtures either we’ve been dross at home. The away fixtures are all at grounds we’ve struggled at for ages. And you know we’ll just bottle it at Luton. Deduction or not if we go down it’s on the manager no win for 3 months is embarrassing.
Or wasn't suffering from impaired vision which means he cannot see what 38000 others can on a weekly basis.
I get this. I do. It's absolutely not fair to him that he's had to deal with the points deduction.
But that doesn't change the fact that he hasn't won a league game in 3 months. Are we after excuses or are we after another season in the Premier League? Because we can moan all we want about the mitigating factors and pat him on the head and say, "well, it's not your fault we're down here."
That's all so pointless. Because we are down here in the relegation fight now, no ifs, ands, or buts - so we have no choice but to do something about it. And he's not doing anything about it, now, today.
The alternative is playing in the Championship and consoling ourselves with the idea that it wasn't our fault that we ended up there. But that won't change the fact of us being there.
Its relative when people are judging performance, after the past two seasons - i think most people would have accepted 31 points with 10 games to go, with a pretty ordinary team as a good performance.
Its also relative in the sense that the fan base is more reactive to a bad run of form because it influences tension and anxiety and people react differently to adversity when often its best to respond - hence we see the panic in this thread.
I can accept everyone's annoyed with no wins in 11, personally the only results im disappointed with are WHU and Wolves, we were beaten by City twice and unlucky to be beaten by Utd and Spurs - everything else we got points from - including Brighton, Spurs and Villa.
We managed to have that block of games, through the busiest part of the season, were we had injuries and our threadbare squad really showed - not to mention the off the field stuff.
I don't think its particularly analytical to informing best decision making to look a t a situation and just make a concrete judgement without adding variables and context to critical thinking.
Particularly as the stakes are high - its very possible sacking a manger we get worse, because we are better with this one then we were with our last two and our stock hasn't risen, in fact got worse since the last time we went to a new manager market.
Its in our hands and we have the fixtures to do it, a manager and a team that has earned 31 points, its about your reaction to adversity and holding tension.
Bring it.
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I'm not doing this, though. The overall performance of the last two seasons is a separate discussion from the point I'm making here.
I'm saying we have a problem that is current, ongoing, and unaddressed, and we have two options: 1) cry about how it's not our fault but otherwise just cross our fingers and hope it works out for the best or 2) actually do something about it, which might warrant considering a managerial change if the one in the job isn't performing. When you're in a high stakes situation, as you say, you can either do what's necessary to achieve the desired outcome, or you can make excuses as to why you can't.
I just don't understand the attitude that current performance should be excused because there were some results earlier in the season. So if we don't win another game the rest of the way and get relegated, the thought will be what? "Well, we should have had X amount of points in March."
Because, frankly, that's not going to make me feel any better when I'm watching us play Sunderland in the league next year.
mightyblues78
Player Valuation: £750k
It doesn't matter what you do mate - im simply relaying the facts as they relate to Sean Dyches performance in 28 Premier League games - if as you say you want to ignore the points deduction as we are at the reality, then ignore the points deduction and judge on the 31 points hes earned in terms of managers performance.
I think we all know how changeing a manger works mate, you support the one you have based on performance - 31 points with 10 games to go, or you buckle - do the thing that has created instability for the past 6-7 years and hit and hope someone will be attracted to a club, with no money, no governance, with a point deduction and pending another who sees that as a positive career step - i mean what could go wrong! lol
I didn't mention results earlier in the season or make excuses, i went through each game of the 11 we haven't won.
I think sacking another manager, relegates us and lads start looking for moves away.
Like i say holding the tension and how you react to adversity - is our job of work.
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That's my point. It's not up to Dyche, Thelwell is in charge and he needs to show it now.
But a lot of the adversity is of his own making.
You're talking around my point a bit, though, mate. To reiterate: we currently have 25 points. We do not have 31 points, no matter whether we should have.
We have other teams around us on similar point totals who are also likely to pick up points in these last 10 matches. On current form, under the work this manager is doing now and in those last 11 games you referenced, do we think it likely that we will get more points in the last 10 matches than those other teams around us?
That's the discussion to be had and that I'm trying to have, essentially. I didn't even say we should 100% fire him. Just that we have to be thinking about it. It's absolutely ludicrous to act like such an option shouldn't even be on the table for a manager who hasn't won in 3 months.
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