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2023/24 Sean Dyche

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Eggsyblueskin said:
A new manager would at least have a chance to alter our style of play to something that would hold up the chance of building something for the future.
If the players are so poor and the manager is inept , we are going down anyway so let’s at least attempt to build for the future and show some actual vision for a change.
Clinging on to this failure in the hope he can grind out enough 1-0 wins and 0-0 draws to survive another season is a severe example of reductionist thinking and will just prolong the misery of supporting this slow motion train wreck of a club.
He doesn’t have the necessary skills to survive for long in the PL as has already been proven. So let’s ,for once , seize the bull by the horns and make a positive change that will give us a better chance of survival or at least some hope of a better future.
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Nothing in our recent past suggests we have the pull to get a 'decent' manager and more than likely there will be the new manager bounce followed by a very difficult start to the second season. Players who don't like the manager or are not in favour can cause issues knowing the manager will be out the door first. This has to change, we need them to know they'll be out first.

Getting a new manager just enables people who have had 4 or 5 chances to have yet another as the new guy wants to see with their own eyes what they can do. This leads to players leaving for free or getting a new contract when they shouldn't.

It may still come to the point where we might have to sack Dyche but we should only do that when it is clear that things aren't going to turn around. The last days of Benitez and Lampard you could see the players had lost hope, that wasn't like that yesterday. If we are rooted to the bottom of the table in late October then fair enough, I personally believe we will be where we thought we'd be by then.
 
The binman chronicles said:
Nothing in our recent past suggests we have the pull to get a 'decent' manager and more than likely there will be the new manager bounce followed by a very difficult start to the second season. Players who don't like the manager or are not in favour can cause issues knowing the manager will be out the door first. This has to change, we need them to know they'll be out first.

Getting a new manager just enables people who have had 4 or 5 chances to have yet another as the new guy wants to see with their own eyes what they can do. This leads to players leaving for free or getting a new contract when they shouldn't.

It may still come to the point where we might have to sack Dyche but we should only do that when it is clear that things aren't going to turn around. The last days of Benitez and Lampard you could see the players had lost hope, that wasn't like that yesterday. If we are rooted to the bottom of the table in late October then fair enough, I personally believe we will be where we thought we'd be by then.
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The problem is we've got nil points at home to Wolves and Fulham, who will both be bottom 7 teams. That's a huge concern.
 
Eggs said:
…I think there’s a bit of snobbery involved with posters not wanting Dyche. We’ve seen the stereotyping, ‘he doesn’t play youngsters’, ‘Keane is his pet love’, ‘players have to be Dyche fit’, yet yesterday he started Dobbin and Branthwaite, left Keane out and gave Chermiti a run.

A few myths bust.

i don’t mind him. i want to see Everton carrying threat, it’s important for me. I see that but we really lack quality in the final third and fail to exploit favourable situations we find ourselves in.

I get there are lots who have never wanted Dyche associated with the club but I think his situation should be assessed after 10 games as it’s usually a good benchmark in a season. When a club is a mess off the pitch it will ultimately manifest itself on the pitch and more managerial turmoil is the last thing the madhouse needs at the moment.
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Any manager who neglects or bypasses any vestige of intelligent midfield play , is not fit to be an Everton manager for me.
Likewise any manager whose teams are coached to surrender control of the midfield , will never win my support.
If that makes me a snob , fine.
This manager will relegate us eventually , even if we do survive this season , his limited tactics and poor game management will ensure this.
He has already suffered two relegations, and that’s because his teams only survive or prosper on fine margins , and that just isn’t conducive to long term survival or any kind of meaningful success.
 

My only criticism of him is that he waits a match or 2 too long in making the obvious decisions. For example choosing to stick with his old mate Keane when he himself deemed him not good enough last few games of the season.

And now why on earth would you sideline your only fit winger in Gray when every other attacker is not 100% match fit or injured?

This club has a recurring history of pushing attacking players in a corner rather than work with them to maximize their output. They are cited as not being hard working enough, not having the right attutude or unsuitable for PL or whatever. Ok but then get wingers in who have that attitude. Otherwise what's the point of losing your width and shoe horning players there like Garner? Also we are far more lenient with defenders and DMs than attack minded players. Hence why we NEVER develop or refine any attack minded player.

Recent names that come to mind

Mirallas
Deulofeu
James
Barkley
Gordon
Lookman
Gray
Vlasic
Digne
Bernard

All left while we persisted with turd like Davies, Keane and Holgate.
 
He needs to stop being the shill for the board but it appears that's exactly what he agreed to be when he joined. He'll never publicly put pressure on them to strengthen his team, it'll always be "we know the situation", "the market is difficult" and his latest one "we don't have pots of gold". You very, very rarely hear managers defending their board in that way especially when they're being so let down and having fans pile a lot of the blame on their (manager's) shoulders.

In Dyche's defence - and he does have one - we've so far been four starting XI players down, with Coleman, McNeil, Harrison and a striker not being available, could argue it's five players short if you think DCL and Beto could start together - that's half a team. We should at least have a striker ready for our next game, but there again he'll probably need six weeks to get 'Dyche fit' and pick up an injury in the process.
 
Fish the Stokie said:
Watched him quite lot to be fair mate. He's a bit of a mardarse and not who you're wanting in a relegation threatened dressing room.
One player doesn't make a team. A manager does.
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I think you'll find he was pivotal in keeping us up two seasons ago.

You sir, are talking out of your oatcake stained arse. You're either an mupper or on a wumming mission. Now bugger off back to the stench of clay and failure and stop clogging up the Dyche thread.
 

I think we will be fine this season and he will see the year out, we just need that striker
However I feel as though he is just stuck with ideas and everything he does is reactionary.
Like Keane for instance or putting Garner on the wing.
If Maupay had scored against Fulham, we would have won that game. You can bet we wouldn't have dropped Keane, and Maupay would continue to start.
Its only the Social media uproar I feel, has swayed him. Look how many times he has tried to get Keane back in the team. Its like he is stuck on the idea he must play.
Playing Dobbin, Branthwaite, Danjuma has been a reaction, not of his own choosing, but because the toxicity would have been overwhelming had he not done it.
Now, if he could just put Garner in the middle of the park sitting in front of the Cb's and allow Onana to do his box to box thing, that would just be swell.
 
 
Eggsyblueskin said:
Any manager who neglects or bypasses any vestige of intelligent midfield play , is not fit to be an Everton manager for me.
Likewise any manager whose teams are coached to surrender control of the midfield , will never win my support.
If that makes me a snob , fine.
This manager will relegate us eventually , even if we do survive this season , his limited tactics and poor game management will ensure this.
He has already suffered two relegations, and that’s because his teams only survive or prosper on fine margins , and that just isn’t conducive to long term survival or any kind of meaningful success.
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He had 2 relegations because he no money and had to get championship players to premier league level, then wheel and deal in the market.

Put into perspective....the Burnley team that have come up have spent £100mill net. Dyche spent £30mill net his entire spell at Burnley and got them into Europe once.

That kinda spend catches up with any team regardless of manager. It's happening to us now.

We're 18th in the league for net spend in the windows over the last 5 years. Sandwiched between Luton and Brentford.
 
The binman chronicles said:
Nothing in our recent past suggests we have the pull to get a 'decent' manager and more than likely there will be the new manager bounce followed by a very difficult start to the second season. Players who don't like the manager or are not in favour can cause issues knowing the manager will be out the door first. This has to change, we need them to know they'll be out first.

Getting a new manager just enables people who have had 4 or 5 chances to have yet another as the new guy wants to see with their own eyes what they can do. This leads to players leaving for free or getting a new contract when they shouldn't.

It may still come to the point where we might have to sack Dyche but we should only do that when it is clear that things aren't going to turn around. The last days of Benitez and Lampard you could see the players had lost hope, that wasn't like that yesterday. If we are rooted to the bottom of the table in late October then fair enough, I personally believe we will be where we thought we'd be by then.
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We pay very good wages , are still, just, a PL club, and virtually every failed manager has left here much richer and found good jobs , so let’s not pretend we couldn’t find an alternative to Dyche , it’s a convenient myth.
Personally I’d approach Schumacher and see if he wanted the challenge.
But the truth is Dyche is going nowhere with this board , just like Everton are going nowhere.
We are locked into a situation where we have a sub standard manager , a team rooted to the bottom , and a seemingly disinterested owner and invisible board.
Dyche supporters needn’t worry unduly , we will either grind our way to safety via an interminable series of 1-0 and 0-0 results.
Or he will get until late January with us still firmly rooted in the relegation battle before the panic button is pressed once again.
Either way our meaningless existence will continue.
 
jinkyali said:
The problem is we've got nil points at home to Wolves and Fulham, who will both be bottom 7 teams. That's a huge concern.
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Of course it is, it is wasted points left on the table that we could have picked up but it's not terminal. As I said in the relegation thread we lost the same fixtures last year and still stayed up so it's not impossible.

What would have been really worrying is if Wolves and Fulham outplayed us. Throwing out the baby with the bath water could just land us in more trouble and people calling for his head should take that into consideration. Things can get worse from here so make sure it is the right call at the right time.
 
Gilbert.. said:
Mate thats just complete pish. The contrast of brighton from chris hughton to potter with the same players was incredible. Even de zerbi said this week what he has at brighton right now were foundations laid down by potter. I think it just became fashionable to knock him because he was getting credit for the way his team played.
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They also finshed 9th in his last season I think. Definitely around there. You don’t finish mid table if you can’t score goals
 

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