2024/25 Sean Dyche

[MikeH72]

Who would have done a better job with hands tied behind him. Players sold for a profit but nothing invested in to the playing squad.
Having to play Youngy. As we have no other full backs fit.

Only Allardyce or Pulis could get a song out of these players and play to their strength like Dyche has.

@nsno-chris @COYBL25

 

[toffeeblue9]

I don't have a problem with the thinking that Dyche had to play this way in the previous two years. In both of those years we had terrible squads with more or less the least creative players in the league it seemed. The fact he kept us up in both seasons proved him right in my eyes.

However, with the full back areas as glaring exceptions, I see the squad this season as being better than anything Dyche has had before, yet the football is absolutely no different. I don't subscribe to the idea that we **have** to be playing the way we do now, and tbh it's working against him because I've gone from being a Dyche advocate on the basis of his achievements over the last 2 years to now being firmly of the opinion that he needs to leave in the summer (or sooner if we end up in a dogfight).

There's a light at the end of the tunnel with new ownership and stadium revenues just coming down the track and Dyche is doing nothing at all to convince me (or anyone else I speak to) that he should be the one that is entrusted with taking us into that era.

I see this season as the last one in the post-Ancelottti era where we are going to have to grin and bear it, but I can't accept this Brexitball stuff next season when the bar should be much higher.

 

[davek]

I agree but we are not playing with “stabilisers” on … we are playing with a don’t leave your home because we could be murdered mentality.

Giving teams the ball and sitting on the edge of your own box for 2/3rds of the game is not “safe “ “stay up “ football … it’s I don’t know any other way of playing from dyche.

You make a good point about us not having the best attacking players to play attacking football in the final 3rd ….

Question ?

Do you think relying on a defence that includes a 39 year old full back that gets skinned every week and a cb ( Keane) that cannot head and defend crosses and switches off in the box and loses his man on a weekly basis… should be relied upon for us to survive in the league?

I would argue that we don’t have the players to defend all game as we are likely to concede whenever two of those two play.

He had doucs at number 10 mate… one of the most useless footballers in the league … playing in what is meant to be the most creative area of the pitch…

He was saying … and not for the first time this season, how good Keane has been this season and it was hard to drop him for Jarrod last week… that is utter madness if he even slightly thinks or believes that to be true .

We have the defenders we need to defend against the vast majority of teams in this league. Look what happened last season with the same set of defenders: we had the 4th tightest defensive record.

We have the personnel to play both ways, of course. But we have to pick and choose which ones we go for in an attacking sense: B'mouth at home made sense to dominate the game and attack the opposition (a game we should easily have won); Newcastle at home it didn't make sense to and we didn't and got a creditable draw.

Dyche's job is to get enough points to keep us up. He's dong that and until he isn't I dont feel inclined to get shut of him, because we all know from recent memory just how perilously close other managers took us to the brink.

 

[ForeverEverton]

Who would have done a better job with hands tied behind him. Players sold for a profit but nothing invested in to the playing squad.
Having to play Youngy. As we have no other full backs fit.

Only Allardyce or Pulis could get a song out of these players and play to their strength like Dyche has.

This myth seems to get parroted by all the Dyche fanboys, simply isn`t true... Yes we`ve sold more than we spent but to say nothing spent is misinformation.

Furthermore I think the squad is in better shape now than what he has had previously, the fact he doesn`t use this squad to it`s strengths says more about his ability than anything else.

 

[Mr Happy]

We have the defenders we need to defend against the vast majority of teams in this league. Look what happened last season with the same set of defenders: we had the 4th tightest defensive record.

We have the personnel to play both ways, of course. But we have to pick and choose which ones we go for in an attacking sense: B'mouth at home made sense to dominate the game and attack the opposition (a game we should easily have won); Newcastle at home it didn't make sense to and we didn't and got a creditable draw.

Dyche's job is to get enough points to keep us up. He's dong that and until he isn't I dont feel inclined to get shut of him, because we all know from recent memory just how perilously close other managers took us to the brink.

The voice of reason. Feel sullied just agreeing with you here, but you're right.

 

[ForeverEverton]

I don't have a problem with the thinking that Dyche had to play this way in the previous two years. In both of those years we had terrible squads with more or less the least creative players in the league it seemed. The fact he kept us up in both seasons proved him right in my eyes.

However, with the full back areas as glaring exceptions, I see the squad this season as being better than anything Dyche has had before, yet the football is absolutely no different. I don't subscribe to the idea that we **have** to be playing the way we do now, and tbh it's working against him because I've gone from being a Dyche advocate on the basis of his achievements over the last 2 years to now being firmly of the opinion that he needs to leave in the summer (or sooner if we end up in a dogfight).

There's a light at the end of the tunnel with new ownership and stadium revenues just coming down the track and Dyche is doing nothing at all to convince me (or anyone else I speak to) that he should be the one that is entrusted with taking us into that era.

I see this season as the last one in the post-Ancelottti era where we are going to have to grin and bear it, but I can't accept this Brexitball stuff next season when the bar should be much higher.

Why can`t you bear it next season but accept it this season, I think there is this romantic idea that next season we come back with a new Stadium, new manager and some new players, just how long will that take to gel whilst in the meantime allowing Dyche to bolster the squad in January.

Get rid now, let the new manager put his ideas across and assess the squad ahead of the January window and we can hit next season running at our new gaff.

All likelihood is if everything is new we are throwing games away early in the season leaving us to catch up like most seasons recently.

 

[SteveWatsonAbsoluteGent]

This myth seems to get parroted by all the Dyche fanboys, simply isn`t true... Yes we`ve sold more than we spent but to say nothing spent is misinformation.

Furthermore I think the squad is in better shape now than what he has had previously, the fact he doesn`t use this squad to it`s strengths says more about his ability than anything else.

So the 'Dyche Fanboys' are right then

Hands tied behind his back

Negative netspend

 

[nsno-chris]

@nsno-chris @COYBL25

Oh hello, is that a mask that has slipped

 

[ForeverEverton]

So the 'Dyche Fanboys' are right then

Hands tied behind his back

Negative netspend

Whats this idea his hands are tied behind his back? Thats absolute rubbish, another parroted line, does anyone have their own views who supports Dyche? It is the same lame excuses that have been proven wrong time and time again.

He chooses not to pick certain players over his favourites... There was fan pressure to get Brathwaite in last season, he buckled and has never looked back, this season that scenario is with NDiaye.

He chooses to pick Doucoure despite being a country mile our worst player technically, struggles with a 4 yard ball.

He chooses that Dom stands up front on his own in 50 yards of space with 2 defenders for company and for the ball to be lumped up.

 

[twoblue]

I don't have a problem with the thinking that Dyche had to play this way in the previous two years. In both of those years we had terrible squads with more or less the least creative players in the league it seemed. The fact he kept us up in both seasons proved him right in my eyes.

However, with the full back areas as glaring exceptions, I see the squad this season as being better than anything Dyche has had before, yet the football is absolutely no different. I don't subscribe to the idea that we **have** to be playing the way we do now, and tbh it's working against him because I've gone from being a Dyche advocate on the basis of his achievements over the last 2 years to now being firmly of the opinion that he needs to leave in the summer (or sooner if we end up in a dogfight).

There's a light at the end of the tunnel with new ownership and stadium revenues just coming down the track and Dyche is doing nothing at all to convince me (or anyone else I speak to) that he should be the one that is entrusted with taking us into that era.

I see this season as the last one in the post-Ancelottti era where we are going to have to grin and bear it, but I can't accept this Brexitball stuff next season when the bar should be much higher.

What’s better?
Ndiaye is an improvement. But injury wise we are missing key players.
As for the post ancelotti era, I think we can can count his last 6 months as the start of the “pragmatism”. Easy to put up with pragmatism when you are winning though.

 

[nsno-chris]

So the 'Dyche Fanboys' are right then

Hands tied behind his back

Negative netspend

What’s your favourite podcast mate??

 

[twoblue]

Whats this idea his hands are tied behind his back? Thats absolute rubbish, another parroted line, does anyone have their own views who supports Dyche? It is the same lame excuses that have been proven wrong time and time again.

He chooses not to pick certain players over his favourites... There was fan pressure to get Brathwaite in last season, he buckled and has never looked back, this season that scenario is with NDiaye.

He chooses to pick Doucoure despite being a country mile our worst player technically, struggles with a 4 yard ball.

He chooses that Dom stands up front on his own in 50 yards of space with 2 defenders for company and for the ball to be lumped up.

You think the fans are picking Dyche team but he won’t change his tactics for the fans?
Interesting.

 

[SteveWatsonAbsoluteGent]

What’s your favourite podcast mate??

Haveaword

 

[MikeH72]

What’s your favourite podcast mate??

Who’s your favourite spiritualist centrist @SteveWatsonAbsoluteGent ?

 

[Simon Buttle]

So the 'Dyche Fanboys' are right then

Hands tied behind his back

Negative netspend

Managers simply can't expect to just buy their way out of problems all the time, this is exactly how clubs get into financial problems all the time. Forest are a club in a similar place to us (bottom half) yet Nuno says his job is to develop the players and make them better so that they collectively make a better team. Sean Dyche is doing the bare basics to scrape over the line. Have a guess at which manager is getting paid more than twice as much as the other?