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[Neiler]

Agree with him completely, been saying it for years.

Ill be interested to see the players reaction.

Its time to back the manager and have the spotlight on the players.

If a player of his standard application and commitment - given all his success - says there is an issue, there is an issue.

Back the manager and start the rooting out of the players, i know we will have to rely on them for the rest of the season - but we all know the problem.

 

[banno]

Good on Lampard for calling them out. They know who they are and if publically called out they cannot perform any worse than they are now. Our only problem is the situation we are in.....they will still be selected unless he drafts in the U23 squad which will be suicide. These cowards have to take us over the line this season then Lampard can swing that axe in the summer and get in hungry ambitious players. This summer is going to be a big Cull and Richie and DCL for starters will be our biggest income to start the procedure. Lets be honest they haven't exactly pulled any trees up and anything north of 30m each for me will be a result

 

[Saint Domingo]

Agree with him completely, been saying it for years.

Ill be interested to see the players reaction.

Its time to back the manager and have the spotlight on the players.

If a player of his standard application and commitment - given all his success - says there is an issue, there is an issue.

Back the manager and start the rooting out of the players, i know we will have to rely on them for the rest of the season - but we all know the problem.

Amen to this. Sadly too many will look for the quick fix of changing manager again.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I don't think we are being set up to fail necessarily. The only game I think the set up was ridiculous was against Spurs. Yesterday we started fine and had imposed ourselves on the game. Then we had an injury and a defensive shocker from a set play, and the players gave up. Individual mistakes and a lack of fight are the recurring themes. Neither of those had anything to do with the system. It was just individuals not doing their job properly.

I'm not making any excuses for them any more because they've had more than enough chances. The reason we are in this mess is because of the failure of the club to overhaul the squad. That is nothing to do with Lampard.

"Nothing to do with Lampard"

See, that's where I disagree.

When will it become something to do with Everton manager, Frank Lampard?

You've already acknowledged the setup was ridiculous against Spurs.

That's him contributing to a problem.

This away form;

P 4
W 0
D 0
L 4
GF 1
GA 14

It's not either/or.

There's a lot of blame, and some of it is on teflon Frank.

 

[Davideeyore]

HE'S GOT THE PASHUN HES CALLING THESE LOSERS OUT ABOUT TIME SOMEONE DID

Come off it.

Every manager we've had since Moyes has had a pop at mentality of the players.

Here's Benitez saying we need a mentality to allow us to compete;

“The big issue is to create a winning mentality that will allow you to compete in the future"

To be fair, it's all he banged on about. The need to bring players who want to be here/mentality;

“I hope they can give us fresh legs and faces to improve the competition [in the squad]. And thinking about the future…I like to see Everton growing and improving – and improving the mentality. Not just being in a comfortable position where people are more relaxed.
“The point is, if we consider that [Andros] Townsend is a free transfer or Demarai is £1.7m, maybe we can find the right players for us. It doesn’t matter the price, it is more about the mentality. The fans know the kind of players that you need here, they know the kind of character that you need here and the quality that you are looking for.

Ancelotti was forever banging on about it to;



As is Seamus Coleman.

Calling them out does nothing.

Especially when there's now a 2 week break.

It's just deflection, yet again.

We know they lack the bottle, the mentality. They wouldn't have been on the arse end the worst run in a lifetime and sat 16th in the league when Frank Lampard come in otherwise.

The manager has to take accountability and drag them over the line.

This reminds me of some sort of Lego people or similar where you just change the heads.

Or a Godfrey (no pun intended) Godley and Creme "Cry" (pun intended).

 

[ElGato]

I can get down with this Frank outburst to a degree. There are some players who are just cruising and not showing enough for the badge. Some of them may have the bollocks to play but just simply aren't good enough to play.

However to me this smacks of a desperate CYA (cover your arse) from Frank. "It's not fair, the tactics are right but the players aren't working, it's not Frank Lampard's fault, honestly".

I genuinely think some of the tactics have been naive, especially away from home. You are joining a team in mid-season, you don't have a huge amount of time to embed your ideas, so stick to the basics: numbers behind the ball, counter attacks, set pieces. Playing a high press away from home with an unsettled and poor quality back four or five? Silly if you ask me - unnecessarily exposing our lack of quality.

Worrying - feels a bit of a panic

 

[Neiler]

Amen to this. Sadly too many will look for the quick fix of changing manager again.

Its the worst thing we can do mate, its just blood letting in every way, changing manager costs us 10s of millions and merely papers over the cracks, compensation for the manager and coaches and to my mind backing a new manager costs in terms of backing them and it inevitably leads to just supplementing a bad core standard, application and commitment wise. The whole footballing side needs a rebuild, but thats not one stroke its slow and incremental - like Moyes first four years - this manager needs to be left alone now for four years and get on with the job of work. Does he have things he could improve tactically himself sure, will he have to compromise on principals to get results this season, sure - especially away - GOT makes a fair point. But that should be where we are heading and committed to as a club. Reboots dont work, how many have we had to get progressively worse - we need to learn that lesson.

I see it like this, many of these players have been through so many managers during their Everton career almost one a season, they get a new fella in saying the same thing about new dawns, new systems, new philosophy, in this together etc and they are thinking to themselves - yeah right ill be here longer then you - we need to buck that trend.

Essentially what we have become is second only to Watford for basket case indecisiveness and itchy trigger fingers for managers and we're a joke amongst our peers in terms of governance. Lets call it what it is.

Even if we get relegated we need to stick now and build for at least four years, this manager needs to grow with a group and build. Anything else and we are just wall papering over the cracks and making the same mistakes again and its just blood letting.

 

[Tony101]

If fit this is the team I would play till the end of the season.

…………………amir begovic………
Patterson..Mina(branthwaite)..Godfrey..Ukraine

…………..Allan………………VDB………….
……………………..Dele……………….

….Gordon…………DCL……….Richy……

We might go down but am sick of seeing Colman Keane Holgate Kenny doccoure gomes in this team.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Its the worst thing we can do mate, its just blood letting in every way, changing manager costs us 10s of millions and merely papers over the cracks, compensation for the manager and coaches and to my mind backing a new manager costs in terms of backing them and it inevitably leads to just supplementing a bad core standard, application and commitment wise. The whole footballing side needs a rebuild, but thats not one stroke its slow and incremental - like Moyes first four years - this manager needs to be left alone now for four years and get on with the job of work. Does he have things he could improve tactically himself sure, will he have to compromise on principals to get results this season, sure - especially away - GOT makes a fair point. But that should be where we are heading and committed to as a club. Reboots dont work, how many have we had to get progressively worse - we need to learn that lesson.

I see it like this, many of these players have been through so many managers during their Everton career almost one a season, they get a new fella in saying the same thing about new dawns, new systems, new philosophy, in this together etc and they are thinking to themselves - yeah right ill be here longer then you - we need to buck that trend.

Essentially what we have become is second only to Watford for basket case indecisiveness and itchy trigger fingers for managers and we're a joke amongst our peers in terms of governance. Lets call it what it is.

Even if we get relegated we need to stick now and build for at least four years, this manager needs to grow with a group and build. Anything else and we are just wall papering over the cracks and making the same mistakes again and its just blood letting.

Brilliant post

 

[blueblue]

FL already knows well the players he will want to keep and those that have no future with him.
However, he cannot do anything at the moment other than manage the players at his disposal.

 

[Cameron Manning]

Made up he said what he has to be honest about time someone questioned them. All things considered and where we are in the league I’m not that bothered about going out the FA cup, we have to put all efforts in to staying in the Premier league.

Agree with him having a go at the players, it could have been anyone of them on yesterdays performance but I think he could have backed those words up by using Patterson and Price instead of leaving them on the bench, he only used three subs when he could have used five.

 

[Toffeelover]

Let's hope they dont have a hissy fit and down tools.

And stop their pay, if they don't like it they know what they can do.

 

[Bluelenny1984]

"Nothing to do with Lampard"

See, that's where I disagree.

When will it become something to do with Everton manager, Frank Lampard?

You've already acknowledged the setup was ridiculous against Spurs.

That's him contributing to a problem.

This away form;

P 4
W 0
D 0
L 4
GF 1
GA 14

It's not either/or.

There's a lot of blame, and some of it is on teflon Frank.

How many managers have we had that have had the same problem???

The issue is bigger than the last how many managers we have hired.

There are issues within the team that are not being addressed, honestly I think you could Pep in here and he would struggle. We have to stop the cycle of sacking managers and actually back one.

 

[allen]

It's just deflection, yet again.

I think that's unfair.

It may very well be the case that he isn't the first manager to call out the players' mentality.

But if he thinks it needs doing, then there's no currency for him in previous managers already having done so. He needs to do it himself, as he has.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

How many managers have we had that have had the same problem???

The issue is bigger than the last how many managers we have hired.

There are issues within the team that are not being addressed, honestly I think you could Pep in here and he would struggle. We have to stop the cycle of sacking managers and actually back one.

The results will determine whether or not he's sacked. That's football.

Benitez had a lot of mitigating circumstances - including "we can't keep sacking managers" which probably led to him being kept on too long.

Lampard talks a lot about what happened before him;

Wish he was as good at setting up a team as he was covering his arse.

Newcastle
“I have come to a situation where we have to get better in a lot of things. I’ve come into the club when they were on a run of results that’s left them in the position we’re in. It’s my job to change that but there isn’t a magic wand on that front,”

Southampton
“I know they’re good lads, I know they want to react, but sometimes when you’ve been in a hard run of form away from home – and generally before I got here – it’s easy to seep back into,”

City
“If the table doesn’t look great in a couple of weeks, so be it. It didn’t look great when I came,”

Spurs
“We’re 17th for a reason: before I got here. There’s a clear discrepancy in home and away form, issues that were there before me and don’t take care of themselves overnight. The players understand the gravity of the situation. They understood it before I arrived because they had been on a long run without a win,”

Wolves
“Myself and the staff came in with the team on a bad run, used to the feeling of losing and not getting points,”

... but currently, his predecessor with bigger mitigating circumstances has a better record.

What I'm asking for isn't a lot.

1. Set up us defensively away. Start with making us hard to beat, rather than "enjoy the ball"
2. Stop being so evasive/deflecting and take accountability as Everton manager. He took the gig on knowing the score. 16th when he joined, 20 games gone and 4 points above the bottom 3.

He'd have to do worse than Benitez - who whether some like to admit or not, had terrible luck with injuries - to relegate us.