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Should Ferguson have stayed as a coach or should he have looked to manage elsewhere?

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In the past I thought his presence was a Kenwright-fuelled farce but now I just think so many clubs have coaches that stay on through multiple managers that it's not an issue. He's a very good coach by all accounts and clearly would rather stay at EFC as a janitor rather than move to another club, he's popular with the players and ensures some continuity and identification with the badge, so I'm not really too worried about him staying.
 
He works for Everton Football Club and chooses to continue there as long as he's wanted by the looks of it.

Bit peculiar how some people project ambitions onto him, offer sage career advice and profess to know what his professional failings are when they've never spoken to him, don't know him, have spent zero time at Finch Farm and have no idea what makes him happy or fulfilled.
 
ClausThomsen said:
He works for Everton Football Club and chooses to continue there as long as he's wanted by the looks of it.

Bit peculiar how some people project ambitions onto him, offer sage career advice and profess to know what his professional failings are when they've never spoken to him, don't know him, have spent zero time at Finch Farm and have no idea what makes him happy or fulfilled.
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Excellent post

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I don't care about how many failed managers he's been under here for, I don't care that he's a cone layer or whatever. What I do care about is if he wants the job fulltime one day. If he does, he needs to go somewhere to get SOME experience. If not, then I'm more than happy for him to stay here.
 

ClausThomsen said:
He works for Everton Football Club and chooses to continue there as long as he's wanted by the looks of it.

Bit peculiar how some people project ambitions onto him, offer sage career advice and profess to know what his professional failings are when they've never spoken to him, don't know him, have spent zero time at Finch Farm and have no idea what makes him happy or fulfilled.
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He told the world he wanted to manage Everton one day...not sure anyne is putting words in his mouth.
 
riddick said:
I don't care about how many failed managers he's been under here for, I don't care that he's a cone layer or whatever. What I do care about is if he wants the job fulltime one day. If he does, he needs to go somewhere to get SOME experience. If not, then I'm more than happy for him to stay here.
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Helll never get this job.

We dont hand it to people just because they've been a coach for a decade.
 
davek said:
He wants to manage Everton.
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Does he though?

If he really wanted to, he'd know by now that he needs to leave and earn it.

I suspect he would like to manage us one day, but there are one or more of a number of things which may be more important to him, possibly including:

1) Financial security - he has a job right now. A relatively secure one it seems. The life of a manager is an insecure one. I seem to remember that he was made bankrupt going back a few years. Perhaps his and his family's financial security are more important to him than his designs on the top job.

2) Everton - Cheesy one but perhaps he loves being part of the club. There's always the possibility that given a choice between managing in the lower divisions and coaching at his beloved Everton, he chooses the latter.

3) His home life - Barring a spell in Spain after he packed up football, Duncan has lived here for most of the last 30 years. He married a scouser. It's not inconceivable that at the age of 50 he doesn't fancy uprooting and living elsewhere

And probably a host of other stuff I can't be bothered to think about.

I'm not convinced he wants the job enough to do what he needs to do to get it. I'm sure he'd do it if he was offered it, but he wouldn't be the first person at our club to say he wanted to manage the club but to ultimately stay put in another role. I seem to remember Unsworth coming out with the same stuff when he had his 2nd caretaker spell. Incredibly, I seem to remember Joe Royle resigning from his role here because we overlooked Unsworth for the job.
 
toffeeblue9 said:
Does he though?

If he really wanted to, he'd know by now that he needs to leave and earn it.

I suspect he would like to manage us one day, but there are one or more of a number of things which may be more important to him, possibly including:

1) Financial security - he has a job right now. A relatively secure one it seems. The life of a manager is an insecure one. I seem to remember that he was made bankrupt going back a few years. Perhaps his and his family's financial security are more important to him than his designs on the top job.

2) Everton - Cheesy one but perhaps he loves being part of the club. There's always the possibility that given a choice between managing in the lower divisions and coaching at his beloved Everton, he chooses the latter.

3) His home life - Barring a spell in Spain after he packed up football, Duncan has lived here for most of the last 30 years. He married a scouser. It's not inconceivable that at the age of 50 he doesn't fancy uprooting and living elsewhere

And probably a host of other stuff I can't be bothered to think about.

I'm not convinced he wants the job enough to do what he needs to do to get it. I'm sure he'd do it if he was offered it, but he wouldn't be the first person at our club to say he wanted to manage the club but to ultimately stay put in another role. I seem to remember Unsworth coming out with the same stuff when he had his 2nd caretaker spell. Incredibly, I seem to remember Joe Royle resigning from his role here because we overlooked Unsworth for the job.
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He said he wanted to manage Evertron...and then he interviewed for the job,,,so, yeah, he does.
 

davek said:
He said he wanted to manage Evertron...and then he interviewed for the job,,,so, yeah, he does.
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That's exactly what I'm talking about.

He seems to want it if he can get it via an internal promotion.

He doesn't seem to want it enough to get it by going out and gaining the relevant experience. That isn't a criticism in any way, there are plenty of valid reasons which might explain that. Frankly He doesn't owe anyone an explanation as to why that's the case.

His choice. But it does say to me that there's wanting it and there's wanting it enough to do everything you can to get it.

End of the day, it doesn't matter. If he merits a place on the coaching staff (none of us are ever going to really know whether he does or not) then that's fine. If he's happy with that, we should be too.
 

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