Should Martinez be sacked? (Post-Stoke poll)

Should Martinez be sacked?

  • Yes

    Votes: 121 20.3%

  • No

    Votes: 475 79.7%
  • Total voters
    596
  • Poll closed .
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Seamus Colemole said:
I knew a few Norwich fans who roughly at this time last season said Hughton was the right man for the job and the club should stick with him and he'd get them safe.

Turns out he wasn't the right man for the job and he didn't get them safe, by the time they made the change it was too late.

Not advocating Martinez being sacked now, just an example. Stick with Martinez and he very well may have us go on a winning run from now on and we finish 5th. But he could quite easily not be the right man for the job and failing to act till it's too late would be a mistake.

But at which point do we say he's not the right man for the job? 13th place? 16th place? bottom 3 in early April? Relegation?
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Howard Kendall. That is all.
 

Zatara said:
Distin = Shot to bits
Alcaraz = Always injured
Jagielka = Not good on the ball
Stones = Class
Browning = Needs games
Galloway = Needs games

Basically we only have Stones who is good enough at the moment to play this system and bring the ball out.

If Van Dijk is available in Jan and Deulofeu in summer then sign them up in that order...
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spot on this
 
I reckon after the next two transfer windows he will have come very close to building the squad he wants and phased out the players he wants to get rid of. He'll also have been able to promote a couple of younger players that he's obviously keen on. Therefore I'll judge him properly for the first time at the end of next season.

As long as he doesn't get us relegated in that time I'm relaxed. Do people honestly expect a manager to come in after 11 years under the previous guy and get it dead right after one season?
 
billycopper said:
We have several fairly obvious problems:
  • We expect to dominate possession whoever we play against. Teams will let us do that so that we send both fullbacks forward. They'll then crowd us out in the middle and spring a quick break against our two centrebacks.
  • We always take two touches and we play the ball to stationary team mates. It should be one touch, pass and move.
  • We never mix it up. Lukaku very often asks for the ball early from our defenders but we play the ball through midfield and give the opposition time to get back. Baines is one of the best crossers in Europe but he very rarely slings the ball into the box any more.
  • We keep shooting ourselves in the foot. We're creating our own problems with sloppy, silly mistakes.
  • Our midfielders are too greedy. Mirallas, Barkley and Naismith will more likely shoot on sight rather than look to play Lukaku or each other in and that very often means snatched efforts from outside the box rather than crafting a move to create space.
  • Baines and Coleman aren't giving us the width that we're used to and the midfielders invariably cut inside. The opposition can quite easily crowd us out.
  • Roberto appears to be bringing some players back from injury too soon and persisting with underperformers.
  • For whatever reason, Martinez seems reluctant to vary his system. Southampton mullered us in the air. Couldn't he have sacrificed a holding midfielder for Alcaraz or dropped Barry in as a third CB to limit the space in which the Saints could play? Barkley has shown that he can play a more disciplined role, so why can't we switch to 4-4-2 when we're chasing games?
  • It seems like the manager doesn't know how to accommodate his best players. Muller nominally plays on the right for Bayern and Germany but he's actually a goalscorer like Naismith. Why can't Naisy's starting position be on the left, so that Barkley can play through the middle?
We have had a lot of injuries, the distraction of Europe and misfortune/human error. I don't think that we're clinical enough at either end though. We're too nice and naive. We need to have a bit more of a mean streak and to stop obsessing with being an attractive passing side.
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I think you have listed very well the problems we have, and I certainly don't think RM should be sacked, but it is worrying at present. If we cannot get 3 points tomorrow at a Newcastle side with 9 senior players injured and again at Hull on 1/1/15 then we will be in a relegation dog fight should we lose both games. It will then be up to RM to show true worth in adversity with the cup game and Man C at home on the 10th. I've watched the Blues for 50 years and the 2nd half performance yesterday ranks with some of the worst displays I've seen at home. Sort it out Roberto !!
 

The ironic thing is he's turning people against his passing philosophy when in reality the problems are not because of the passing but because the team lacks any chemistry/consistency due to his constant chopping and changing/playing players out of position.

He should of used that QPR game as the start of the season. Kept Ross at CM alongside Mccarthy or moved him back behind lukaku alongside mcgeady moving back onto the wing with mirallas on the left.

But no next game ross back out wide, Barry back in the team, naismith still at CAM and eto'o on the wing with no mcgeady. It's hilarious as it's so bad.

He must have had words with mcgeady as no way does he trust him.
 
mellowblue said:
I think you have listed very well the problems we have, and I certainly don't think RM should be sacked, but it is worrying at present. If we cannot get 3 points tomorrow at a Newcastle side with 9 senior players injured and again at Hull on 1/1/15 then we will be in a relegation dog fight should we lose both games. It will then be up to RM to show true worth in adversity with the cup game and Man C at home on the 10th. I've watched the Blues for 50 years and the 2nd half performance yesterday ranks with some of the worst displays I've seen at home. Sort it out Roberto !!
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I thought there was one or two players who looked like they didn't want to be there,and we're glad to hear the full time whistle,I have witnessed that a few times over the years and I hope the manager and his staff get a grip of things before it spreads, and I would like him to start by finding a real leader/captain on the pitch.
 
He is one of 2 managers in the League who have taken a team down, the other is Pardew, who could hardly be blamed for taking Charlton down (given the state he took them over in) Martinez made Wigan gradually worse, and I know people will say he had restricted funds there under Whelan. Well if that would be your point what is his excuse here? 32 million spent/committed this summer and we are as bad as we were in 03/04.

Pretty much enough said
 
evertony said:
Passing opinion based on reality, what I see with my own eyes and have done for over 40 years is much more reliable than statistics.....when football becomes a game decided by statistics instead of a game fuelled by passion and emotion I'll knock it on the head thanks. If you want to rely on statistics, quantum physics, the Mandelbrot set and math then have fun.
This "observer" understands football.
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Woohoo, There's a stat in this retort (not a significant one, but a stat nonetheless); love how stats haters use it anyhow (unwittingly in this case it would seem) when it suits their arguments
 
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mellowblue said:
I think you have listed very well the problems we have, and I certainly don't think RM should be sacked, but it is worrying at present. If we cannot get 3 points tomorrow at a Newcastle side with 9 senior players injured and again at Hull on 1/1/15 then we will be in a relegation dog fight should we lose both games. It will then be up to RM to show true worth in adversity with the cup game and Man C at home on the 10th. I've watched the Blues for 50 years and the 2nd half performance yesterday ranks with some of the worst displays I've seen at home. Sort it out Roberto !!
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At present I don't think that Barry and Lukaku are worthy of their places. I'd be very tempted to alter their positions to see if the fresh challenge woke them from their torpor. Barry could play at centreback either as the central man of a three, bringing the ball out of defence, or as part of a pairing while we're having issues with form and fitness. Lukaku has played wide right before. He'd receive the ball much earlier and he'd be playing facing the goal. Naismith would arguably be more worrying for defenders because of his movement and that would allow us to accommodate Barkley in the hole and Mirallas cutting in from the right.
 

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