Should Sean Dyche be sacked?

[John from Bootle]

Like I said, some players don’t want him here, they don’t trust his approach to games or how he has no aptitude to try and win a game

But yeah, keeping clean sheets negates all that

Oh bore off Chris. I've already told you the clean sheets weren't the only reason for me thinking that.

Yeah, yeah, like you said. Are you gonna be kind enough to share your source yet?

 

[GraemeS1980]

In 44 years of being an Evertonian and having watched them for 40 of those years, this is easily the worst and I remember the days of Mike Walker.

The players arent even match fit!! It is December FFS they should be peak fitness! yet game after game they just do not have the fitness levels required. Even City would beat us at the moment

 

[JLW]

Seriously how long are match going fans going to keep wasting their time and energy going to the game while he is still the manager?

 

[John from Bootle]

Accumulative fatigue, I think a lot will agree we are just tired of it all and he's producing the worst football we have witnessed. He does get kudos for keeping us up but that is in the past, football isn't stagnant, we are here in the now and it's not good enough.

We all thought after a pretty decent points total(without deductions) last season we would kick on, instead we have regressed massively and he appears to have lost the dressing room. Benítez was crap and so is Dyche, both things can be true but it's 2024 and Benitez no longer manages us.

I get that mate. Accumulative fatigue sounds about right. I'm fully aware that Dyche, as manager, has to take responsibility for results but I just think it's unfair to lay everything at his door. If he's hit his ceiling here, then so be it, but for me, he's the symptom, not the sole cause. The fact we're perhaps not even able to sack him because he's hit his ceiling is damning and indicative in itself.

 

[chippy1722]

I would have sacked him on the night after the first game. Not one of our new players got a start, and that set the tone for the same old same old season, which is exactly what this season has turned out to be.

 

[nsno-chris]

Oh bore off Chris. I've already told you the clean sheets weren't the only reason for me thinking that.

Yeah, yeah, like you said. Are you gonna be kind enough to share your source yet?

Ok mate

 

[JLW]

I get that mate. Accumulative fatigue sounds about right. I'm fully aware that Dyche, as manager, has to take responsibility for results but I just think it's unfair to lay everything at his door. If he's hit his ceiling here, then so be it, but for me, he's the symptom, not the sole cause. The fact we're perhaps not even able to sack him because he's hit his ceiling is damning and indicative in itself.

I dont think anyone is saying the state of the club right now is his fault.

But the state of the team, results, form, performances are his fault.

Could no other manager get DCL scoring at least a couple of goals?
Could no other manager get the team to create decent chances?

The answer is of course they could and it will be proven soon.

 

[jtl60]

I've defended him to some degree in the past, constanly selling your best players and not investing much for the last few years is not something any manager wants.
HOWEVER, we could easily be 5-6 points better off at the moment with a better manager, if you think back to games at home like Bournemouth and Brentford, just to mention 2 .
This season was always going to be about starting next season in the premier league in a new stadium and new owners for me and we are in great risk of failing that with him

 

[Raino85]

I get that mate. Accumulative fatigue sounds about right. I'm fully aware that Dyche, as manager, has to take responsibility for results but I just think it's unfair to lay everything at his door. If he's hit his ceiling here, then so be it, but for me, he's the symptom, not the sole cause. The fact we're perhaps not even able to sack him because he's hit his ceiling is damning and indicative in itself.

While i don't agree with it being unfair (purely based on my opinion on the mans arrogance), i understand you sentiment.

The people that put him in that position need replacing also, replacing the people in charge would then lead to Dyche getting replaced, as i don't see any forward thinking club wanting him at the helm and thinking, he's the answer.

He's not done anything to help himself of trying to move and evolve both himself and the club though. This summer was the perfect opportunity and he turned it into a 'this lot will be lucky to stay up, good job i'm here to walk them through the games as they would all be in league 2 if it wasn't for me'

 

[John from Bootle]

The answer is of course they could and it will be proven soon.

Assuming we appoint the right manager of course. What happens if the next one under performs? Every manager we have had under Moshiri has arguably under performed. I say arguably because did Carlo ultimately under perform? It's not a given that the next manager is a success, which is why I would hang my hat on experience and substance over style. It would have to be Moyes, Mourinho or Thomas Frank for me.

Don't get me wrong though, worrying about the next one failing is absolutely no reason to stick with a failing manager.

 

[KaiserEFC]

Seems to me like they’ve kept the 6-12 month stopgap guy for more than 6-12 months and the reaping is directly proportional to the sewing

 

[larbert toffee]

I'd been supportive of him the previous two campaigns but this season he's had an opportunity to build on last year's points total and performances every which way.
There's no evidence in him having improved any of our players out there in fact some of them appear to be regressing because of the style and tactics we're employing.
He needs to go and he needs to go sooner rather than later.

 

[JLW]

Assuming we appoint the right manager of course. What happens if the next one under performs? Every manager we have had under Moshiri has arguably under performed. I say arguably because did Carlo ultimately under perform? It's not a given that the next manager is a success, which is why I would hang my hat on experience and substance over style. It would have to be Moyes, Mourinho or Thomas Frank for me.

Don't get me wrong though, worrying about the next one failing is absolutely no reason to stick with a failing manager.

Im not even messing when i say that it would be hard to get worse than this fella in any of the 4 English leagues.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Assuming we appoint the right manager of course. What happens if the next one under performs? Every manager we have had under Moshiri has arguably under performed. I say arguably because did Carlo ultimately under perform? It's not a given that the next manager is a success, which is why I would hang my hat on experience and substance over style. It would have to be Moyes, Mourinho or Thomas Frank for me.

Don't get me wrong though, worrying about the next one failing is absolutely no reason to stick with a failing manager.

Its a fair point and something which hasn't been mentioned but I think if we had another season or two of madness under new owners and it looks like nothing has actually changed, I think people will start calling it a day tbh as they will literally be at the end of their tether by then.

 

[larbert toffee]

In 44 years of being an Evertonian and having watched them for 40 of those years, this is easily the worst and I remember the days of Mike Walker.

The players arent even match fit!! It is December FFS they should be peak fitness! yet game after game they just do not have the fitness levels required. Even City would beat us at the moment

City beat us at the moment? You've taken that too far.