1.2 litre is rapid these days.
So if you want to keep them out of "faster" cars, you would need to lower it under 1.0 at least.
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Should the UK motorway speed limit be raised?
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So if you want to keep them out of "faster" cars, you would need to lower it under 1.0 at least.
It's not very mature is it.
Making cheese puns in a serious thread about road safety. How dairy!
tommye
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If a speed limited vehicle is going very slowly for whatever reason do you not think it's reasonable to allow another speed limited vehicle to overtake it? The manoeuvre can take a little longer but it can often be completed safely within a reasonable time frame. And there are often 3 or even 4 lanes - speed limited vehicles rarely require more than one of those lanes. There are some exceptions but I doubt you'll often see those performing overtakes.
It's not the overtake itself that causes bunching but capacity. If people could get over their tunnel-vision and realise that sometimes part of sharing the road is slowing down a little and thinking about traffic flow and allowing space rather than their own personal journey time then the bunching wouldn't be as bad.
As worrying as tunnel vision driving is it's the absolute piss boiling that occurs from some drivers over the slightest delay and entitlement that is more worrying.
Speeding should be allowed as long as you're listening to a bit of R&Brie
BirkenheadBlue
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Yes, but it’s only a tiny number if there’s only a billion miles travelled, as it’s PER billion.
If (for example) there were a trillion miles travelled, the numerical difference in deaths would be much higher.
Without knowing the overall number of miles driven and/or number of deaths, it’s impossible to say it is or isn’t statistically significant.
Overall road deaths in Germany are about 50% higher per capita than in UK. Obviously there could also be other variables at play.
Another little point to note is that you're statistically far less likely to have an accident if you're driving on a motorway than driving on an A or B road.
Due to this, most insurance companies who issue black boxes will reward drivers who drive on the motorway with lower premiums or extra miles.
Obviously there are many other key factors (acceleration, braking, average speed), but a driver who's classed as a 'safe driver' and goes on the motorway...
...at least five times a month is likely to get a better renewal price than the same driver who doesn't.
Due to this, most insurance companies who issue black boxes will reward drivers who drive on the motorway with lower premiums or extra miles.
Obviously there are many other key factors (acceleration, braking, average speed), but a driver who's classed as a 'safe driver' and goes on the motorway...
...at least five times a month is likely to get a better renewal price than the same driver who doesn't.
I don't know what motorways you tend to use, but in my area of the south it is a regular daily occurrence to see two out of three lanes on the M23 occupied by two articulated lorries side by side. As @Baines' left foot will confirm, when you get onto the M25 it's commonplace to see lorries driving three abreast, in three lanes out of four. There's a stretch of the M4, eastbound near Bath iirc, where you will often see lorries in lanes 1 and 2 trying to overtake each other whilst going uphill - utterly ridiculous.
Should a speed restricted vehicle be allowed to pass another speed restricted vehicle? No. Not unless one of them is stationary due to having broken down. The only compromise I'd make in that regard is that I would grudgingly accept speed-restricted vehicles in lanes 1 and 2 on any 4-lane motorway. On a three-lane motorway though, they should all stay in lane 1. Maybe a compromise could be to relax that rule after 7pm, until 6am the next day.
There is nothing reasonable about a vehicle travelling at 56mph (unable to go any faster) deciding to move out a lane in order to overtake another vehicle travelling at 52mph and taking five minutes to complete the manoeuvre. To borrow a phrase from yourself, it's part of sharing the road: don't deliberately inconvenience others.
They're all frustrating examples but they are examples of poor overtaking method, selfishness and stretched capacity rather than where different road laws would bring a solution that brings free flowing traffic. Put all the speed restricted vehicles in lane 1 and you're going to have a load of slightly faster but ultimately slow drivers in lane 2. Then you're shifting the middle lane hogs over to 3 and so forth.
Add into that some pretty hairy junctions where traffic is trying to enter an incredibly crowded lane 1 full of speed restricted vehicles that aren't allowed into lane 2 despite it clearly aiding flow and reducing the chances of collision by allowing space for emerging traffic.
I've seen a lot of speed restricted vehicles perform perfectly reasonable and prompt overtakes. And I've seen countless unrestricted vehicles taking up overtaking lanes while maintaining speed with or even going slower than the vehicle to their left. Bad drivers make poor driving decisions regardless of vehicle - even excellent drivers have the occasional brainfart.
A 56 going past a 52 might take some time but what is a reasonable speed difference to allow an overtake? Once someone gets up to 67 it's gonna be difficult to fly by quickly without breaking the limit but I'd say it's unreasonable to say you can't go past given the limit we all have is 70.
Inconvenience is part of sharing the road. Some inconveniences are unavoidable where capacity is stretched. Some people seem to be of the mindset that motorways are stretches of road where you should be able to drive at 70mph from A to B. They aren't, they're stretches of road where you can drive upto 70mph when and where conditions and capacity safely allow it. Very often you can't - that's the inconvenience of sharing a road.
Bin smart motorways first off
They used to do that in Italy and Germany I think
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