Should VAR be scrapped?

[yarablue1994]

The only way VAR can be fixed is by full automation. Theres no point in having a milllion camera angles and still leaving the decision up for human interpretation. A lot of these decisions should be cut and dry, but these incompetent referees are almost trying to put themselves into the player at faults brain to see what they were thinking. There also needs to be a complete revamp of these referees. Too many "athletic", and "studious" referees nowadays who have never kicked a ball. Bring back rustic, a bit overweight chaps who actually know the game.

 

[JelavicBrate2]

I feel it needs to go back to what it was supposed to be for. Clear and obvious errors.
Non of this, toenail offside rubbish. But a blatant error.
I would change it as well to make the 4th official in charge of it. Flag sommat and the 4th official looks at the screen and makes the call. Has 30 seconds or so to call it. If it is obvious, he can easily do that. If it is not obvious, then crack on with the onfield call.
Simples.

I don't think anybody cares about offside, other than the blatantly wrong offside call against Blackburn, most offside calls are honest mistakes. The penalty calls are ridiculous, look at Chelseas against palmeiras, utterly ludicrous, then you had Brentfords against us, yet when Rondon clearly has his shirt pulled it isn't given. I think VAR has just been set up so big teams get penalties in the last moments. We all know the RS would have been given a penalty for the same decision. Then you have the questionable offside against Lukaku, that would never of been given offside in the past. It's ruined the live nature of football the emotion, because you don't know whether a goals gonna get chalked off or not.

 

[Methuselah]

VAR works in Rugby and Cricket because they are 'stop/start' games. Football isn't. Waiting several minutes for a decision is not football. The fact that the faceless, unaccountable officials at Stockley Park find it a lot easier to give decisions in favour of the top teams is also clear to the majority of football supporters. VAR should be dumped immediately, never to return. It's not just the technology, more the shower who run it.

 

[Harry The Hat]

Yes

 

[Harry The Hat]

Yes again

 

[Sarnia Kevin]

Don't scrap it, improve it by taking it out of the hands of the old-boys network of refs looking after their mates on the field. Get some professionals in who know what the rules are and how they should be interpreted properly. When we get the likes of Kavanaugh, who we know is a garbage referee on the pitch, he isn't going to make the right decisions just because he's sitting in a nice office looking at a tv.

 

[MikeH72]

I don't think anybody cares about offside, other than the blatantly wrong offside call against Blackburn, most offside calls are honest mistakes. The penalty calls are ridiculous, look at Chelseas against palmeiras, utterly ludicrous, then you had Brentfords against us, yet when Rondon clearly has his shirt pulled it isn't given. I think VAR has just been set up so big teams get penalties in the last moments. We all know the RS would have been given a penalty for the same decision. Then you have the questionable offside against Lukaku, that would never of been given offside in the past. It's ruined the live nature of football the emotion, because you don't know whether a goals gonna get chalked off or not.

Remember at the start of the season when everyone was making a big deal about “thicker lines” for offsides acting as if that was going to actually improve VAR and stop the ridiculous marginal armpit offside decisions? It hasn’t changed anything having thicker lines, they just start the line further back/forward to make up for the thickness and suit whichever decision they want to make on the day.

 

[wandyr79]

VAR works in Rugby and Cricket because they are 'stop/start' games. Football isn't. Waiting several minutes for a decision is not football. The fact that the faceless, unaccountable officials at Stockley Park find it a lot easier to give decisions in favour of the top teams is also clear to the majority of football supporters. VAR should be dumped immediately, never to return. It's not just the technology, more the shower who run it.

Rugby Union is a very fluid game, and is not a stop/start game like Cricket and Tennis where this an 'end of current play'.

The big difference between Rugby Union and Football is the way it is perceived to be used. The crowd/TV audience know exactly what is being looked at, they know exactly what is being said (TV audience), they know exactly the thought process. There have been times when a try was not given because of something that happened a minute before the try was scored. The TMO is in the ear of the ref to tell him anything that has been missed, you will hear him say 'offside', 'high tackle', etc. and the on pitch ref will straight away signal a penalty.

It is not perfect (and never will be) and not everything is checked, it is still human based but there has always been a respect between refs an players in Rugby which, undoubtedly, helps. Football fans and players don't trust refs to be good at their jobs and this is one of the main reasons why fans want it scrapped because there is no knowledge of how it is being used.

I don't think it should be dumped but I doubt that any wholesale changes, in regards to the accountability of their decisions and process, will be made so will not be sad to see it go, in that respect.

 

[Methuselah]

Rugby Union is a very fluid game, and is not a stop/start game like Cricket and Tennis where this an 'end of current play'.

The big difference between Rugby Union and Football is the way it is perceived to be used. The crowd/TV audience know exactly what is being looked at, they know exactly what is being said (TV audience), they know exactly the thought process. There have been times when a try was not given because of something that happened a minute before the try was scored. The TMO is in the ear of the ref to tell him anything that has been missed, you will hear him say 'offside', 'high tackle', etc. and the on pitch ref will straight away signal a penalty.

It is not perfect (and never will be) and not everything is checked, it is still human based but there has always been a respect between refs an players in Rugby which, undoubtedly, helps. Football fans and players don't trust refs to be good at their jobs and this is one of the main reasons why fans want it scrapped because there is no knowledge of how it is being used.

I don't think it should be dumped but I doubt that any wholesale changes, in regards to the accountability of their decisions and process, will be made so will not be sad to see it go, in that respect.

Well, you can sometimes lose the will to live watching re-set scrums. Some line-outs take an age before teams are in position. More 'stop' than 'start'. However, I agree that the discipline in Rugby Union helps the system to work better, plus the fact that for plays like rucks and mauls the average spectator hasn't a clue what is going on. so if the ref gives a penalty they usually accept it.
I agree that Rugby Union CAN be a very fluid game but this depends very much on the referee. I never played rugby but have been a Vice President at Maidenhead Rugby Club for over 40 years and have seen too many stop/start games!

 

[wandyr79]

Well, you can sometimes lose the will to live watching re-set scrums. Some line-outs take an age before teams are in position. More 'stop' than 'start'. However, I agree that the discipline in Rugby Union helps the system to work better, plus the fact that for plays like rucks and mauls the average spectator hasn't a clue what is going on. so if the ref gives a penalty they usually accept it.
I agree that Rugby Union CAN be a very fluid game but this depends very much on the referee. I never played rugby but have been a Vice President at Maidenhead Rugby Club for over 40 years and have seen too many stop/start games!

Oh, no doubt but players taking too long to reset and take lineouts is not meant to be part of the game.

My point is that penalties happen during play and then play goes on for a while before they have a chance to look the infringement by the ref, if needed. The ref will stop the game for another penalty during the advantage or they will go back to an incident during the build up of play, sometimes a fair few phases before a try was scored, etc.

For me it is close enough to football to work in the same way. How many times have footballers taken an age to take a throw in, goal kick, free kick, etc. Obviously not longer than a [multiple[ reset scrum or lineouts [where the attacking team take an age to trundle into position after the huddle] but there is still time where the ball is out of play for the ref/VAR to review any incident that needs to be looked at. If there is a more serious infringement that requires a red card review then the ref gets informed he may need to look at something and stops the game immediately, just like it happens in Rugby, from time to time.

Long story short, football is also a stop start game by that definition, ball goes out of play the game stops, ref blows his whistle, game stops. So, in addition to the VAR set up, there needs to be an independent timekeeper, the ref shouts time off, they review and decision is made and whatever the decision is they restart the game, in that way.

 

[Davideeyore]

I don't think VAR should be scrapped. But there needs to be some lightening up. They're all so tense. An armpit or a toe nail offside. Handballs that are hand ball not given and imaginary fouls that ARE given. Because a player
has the 'right to go down'.

If an offside can't be seen that they have to scruitinise it to millimetres or a nose (not talking horses here) then ignore it. It's not relevant. If a player goes down like he's in the American Army in the Second WW and there is no deliberate push or foul, then book the diving bugger. No pen. Hand balls are fine if they're deliberate but accidental should be ignored. Saturday? Come on it was obvious. But as ever there's an element of unfairness as to the leaning of the decision.

 

[Lapeno77]

Nope, simple solution has always been to take operation away from the refs. Independent team of ex pros with a simple instruction. Find Mistakes.

 

[Ron Swanson]

VAR should be ex-refs who have the experience but no longer have the legs to ref matches. No pitch ref should ever be on VAR.

Also, we need an independent body overlooking and assessing ref and var performances. Poor performances and horrendous mistakes require demotion.

 

[summerisle]

Colour me shocked.

Prem has no VARs picked for Qatar World Cup

The Premier League is the only major league in Europe not to have a single referee selected to act as a VAR at the World Cup.

global.espn.com

 

[JLW]

VAR shouldnt be scrapped the people who sit in stockley park each week should be.

It was brought to in to correct the wrongs made by useless referees and what do they do? Give the the useless referees a seat in the VAR studio to make the decisions.