Should VAR be scrapped?

[Mat70s]

The way I expect is just fairness. Not arsed about making some grand difference to the league table, I just want fairness in individual games.

The issue is that you’re focusing on Everton-based decisions. What about other relegation threatened sides? Have they had fewer poor decisions? Indeed, have decisions gone in favour of some of these sides?

 

[MikeH72]

The issue is that you’re focusing on Everton-based decisions. What about other relegation threatened sides? Have they had fewer poor decisions? Indeed, have decisions gone in favour of some of these sides?

I don’t know, but I would imagine we’re not the only team in the league to have dodgy decisions go against us.

 

[Mat70s]

You’re saying it’s not necessary then?

That’s a fair assessment. My central point, however, is that I don’t think it’s a fix; fans of every team thinks they get a raw deal. Plus, every side can handily point to a terrible VAR decision. How can that be a fix?

 

[luuk_deventer]

From Sky Sports

....while no side benefitted more than Everton from VAR overturning on-field decisions last campaign, this term their luck appears to have run out in just about every regard.

"So far, Everton are down by two goals based on VAR intervention. Their latest gripe doesn't relate to the technology but rather how it has been used.

"Only Newcastle (-4) and Norwich (-3) have suffered more VAR overturns than the Merseysiders.

 

[TheBigIguana]

The way I expect is just fairness. Not arsed about making some grand difference to the league table, I just want fairness in individual games.

We aren't going to reach a point where there aren't calls that are disagreeable. What needs to be adjusted is how the decisions are communicated.

 

[Methuselah]

Should've been dumped ages ago.

 

[wandyr79]

The offside system is as close to robotic as they're likely to get. Maybe they could fine tune it so the computer picks which part of the body to draw the line on?

Point is we basically have that and people are still mad.

Yes, they do have this and the line goes from the arm if that is the furthest forward, this is not the law as you cannot score with your arm and offside is any goal scoring part of the body. That is why some people are mad at it.

 

[Alan Whittle]

That’s a fair assessment. My central point, however, is that I don’t think it’s a fix; fans of every team thinks they get a raw deal. Plus, every side can handily point to a terrible VAR decision. How can that be a fix?

Fans thinking that they get a raw deal and fans getting a raw deal are two separate things. Unless there is a detailed statistical analysis then I’m going to do what most football fans do and remain partial.
There have been well documented fixes in sport. Without going all conspiracy theory why cannot VAR be fixed? It has not done away with the human element so I fail to see how it couldn’t be fixed on occasion.

 

[wandyr79]

From Sky Sports

The issue with this stat is it, I believe, only focuses on negative/positive overturns. I assume it is talking about the 2 goals in the Arsenal game, which in the end technically did not affect us but does it include the overturning of the Spurs penalty, which was incorrect. Or even the non-looking at the blatant penalty that we should have got at Brentford, technically the Man City pen was not overturned as it was not given on the field, so again is this in the overturning stats as a negative. I don't think it will be.

 

[luuk_deventer]

The issue with this stat is it, I believe, only focuses on negative/positive overturns. I assume it is talking about the 2 goals in the Arsenal game, which in the end technically did not affect us but does it include the overturning of the Spurs penalty, which was incorrect. Or even the non-looking at the blatant penalty that we should have got at Brentford, technically the Man City pen was not overturned as it was not given on the field, so again is this in the overturning stats as a negative. I don't think it will be.

It is saying over the course of the season, we have had 2 over turns. That does include the Spurs penalty, which was given, but does not include Man City or Brentford. In other words, we had it better than most with VAR last season and this season we've got it worse than most.

 

[USABlue]

Other countries use it fine. Just another example of English FA's incompetence at best or as Lampard said or worse.

Anyone watching the replay at home could see that it was a clear handball vs Rodri. Having the replay system isn't the issue. It's these awful refs not utilizing it well

 

[The Gueye Science]

I blame the poor quality of British pundits.

Most of them have such a poor understanding of football that they'd have nothing to say if it weren't for Zapruder-esque replay scrutiny followed by whingey hot takes about the referees.

Eventually they whined so much that the FA and the television networks felt forced to relent - and now, the games take longer, the drama is ruined, we have the same amount of dodgy decisions as before, and the English pundits whine as much as they ever did, only at a further and even more absurd level of abstraction.

The solution is a two-year moratorium on any media discussion whatsoever of refereeing; violators will be made to surrender their press credentials then and there.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Yes, they do have this and the line goes from the arm if that is the furthest forward, this is not the law as you cannot score with your arm and offside is any goal scoring part of the body. That is why some people are mad at it.

Weirdly if you view the Lukaku offside and the Rodri handball they've been remarkably consistent. Now for me both are wrong in the spirit of the game but the people running the sport felt they had to do something about everyone losing their crap over handballs going back to the Sissoko one in the final.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I blame the poor quality of British pundits.

Most of them have such a poor understanding of football that they'd have nothing to say if it weren't for Zapruder-esque replay scrutiny followed by whingey hot takes about the referees.

Eventually they whined so much that the FA and the television networks felt forced to relent - and now, the games take longer, the drama is ruined, we have the same amount of dodgy decisions as before, and the English pundits whine as much as they ever did, only at a further and even more absurd level of abstraction.

The solution is a two-year moratorium on any media discussion whatsoever of refereeing; violators will be made to surrender their press credentials then and there.

The way football is covered does no favors to any of this

 

[tonyhorne]

you cannot score with your arm

I've seen it done...