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Should VAR be scrapped?

Should VAR be scrapped in English Football

  • Yes

    Votes: 57 64.8%

  • No

    Votes: 24 27.3%

  • Stockley Park on toast

    Votes: 7 8.0%
  • Total voters
    88
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VAR needs fine tuning to the point where it doesn’t need human assistance.

If they can have Hawkeye for goal lines in seconds, they can make something which is efficient, and done robotically.

They should have went down this route sooner, but now it’s just expensive to add on.
 
I think explaining the decisions would go some way to making it seem less dodgy, but as it is VAR just isn't fit for purpose. The advantage things like tennis and cricket have is they are naturally stop-start sports anyway, whereas what we have with football is ridiculously long delays to make marginal - often illogical - decisions.
 
The problem with the VAR discussion - to some extent - is that fans go mad about it when it doesn't comply with their wishes. This isn't suggesting that it's always correct and infallible, but I do find the post-game anger of any fanbase dictated by an apparent VAR bias that doesn't actually exist. The handball on Saturday was an appalling decision - haven't seen anybody try to defend it. But the ensuing 'corruption' stuff does clang a little bit.

'Corruption' has become the thing fans use at every turn these days - from all teams. My team haven't won: "CORRUPTION"; My rival won: "CORRUPTION".

This would carry more water if every set of fans didn't harp on about bias against their team. BlueMoon, RAWK, RedCafe, ShedEnd, ArsenalMania (etc etc) all have posters absolutely convinced that their side is subject to more stringent refereeing decisions than everybody else...it's "CORRUPTION".

Yet these folk never consider favourable decisions as being corrupt. No, that's all fair game. That's how it should be. That's how the cookie crumbles.

VAR isn't corrupt. It's just an extension of human fallibility...as hard as that is to take when a call is so horribly bad.

The thing to ask yourself is this: Would the league table look meaningfully different if every single decision was 100% accurate?
 

Mat70s said:
The problem with the VAR discussion - to some extent - is that fans go mad about it when it doesn't comply with their wishes. This isn't suggesting that it's always correct and infallible, but I do find the post-game anger of any fanbase dictated by an apparent VAR bias that doesn't actually exist. The handball on Saturday was an appalling decision - haven't seen anybody try to defend it. But the ensuing 'corruption' stuff does clang a little bit.

'Corruption' has become the thing fans use at every turn these days - from all teams. My team haven't won: "CORRUPTION"; My rival won: "CORRUPTION".

This would carry more water if every set of fans didn't harp on about bias against their team. BlueMoon, RAWK, RedCafe, ShedEnd, ArsenalMania (etc etc) all have posters absolutely convinced that their side is subject to more stringent refereeing decisions than everybody else...it's "CORRUPTION".

Yet these folk never consider favourable decisions as being corrupt. No, that's all fair game. That's how it should be. That's how the cookie crumbles.

VAR isn't corrupt. It's just an extension of human fallibility...as hard as that is to take when a call is so horribly bad.

The thing to ask yourself is this: Would the league table look meaningfully different if every single decision was 100% accurate?
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Mate human fallibility that doesn't see that as handball is incompetence.
 
Mat70s said:
The problem with the VAR discussion - to some extent - is that fans go mad about it when it doesn't comply with their wishes. This isn't suggesting that it's always correct and infallible, but I do find the post-game anger of any fanbase dictated by an apparent VAR bias that doesn't actually exist. The handball on Saturday was an appalling decision - haven't seen anybody try to defend it. But the ensuing 'corruption' stuff does clang a little bit.

'Corruption' has become the thing fans use at every turn these days - from all teams. My team haven't won: "CORRUPTION"; My rival won: "CORRUPTION".

This would carry more water if every set of fans didn't harp on about bias against their team. BlueMoon, RAWK, RedCafe, ShedEnd, ArsenalMania (etc etc) all have posters absolutely convinced that their side is subject to more stringent refereeing decisions than everybody else...it's "CORRUPTION".

Yet these folk never consider favourable decisions as being corrupt. No, that's all fair game. That's how it should be. That's how the cookie crumbles.

VAR isn't corrupt. It's just an extension of human fallibility...as hard as that is to take when a call is so horribly bad.

The thing to ask yourself is this: Would the league table look meaningfully different if every single decision was 100% accurate?
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Yes a bit. The smaller teams would have a few more points and the bigger sides would have a few less.
 
barneygumble said:
VAR needs fine tuning to the point where it doesn’t need human assistance.

If they can have Hawkeye for goal lines in seconds, they can make something which is efficient, and done robotically.

They should have went down this route sooner, but now it’s just expensive to add on.
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The offside system is as close to robotic as they're likely to get. Maybe they could fine tune it so the computer picks which part of the body to draw the line on?

Point is we basically have that and people are still mad.
 

TheBigIguana said:
I'm not sure that is true if you actually go through it. I mean it could be, but without doing it I'd probably not just say it is the case.
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Well off the top of my head we’d probably have 1 more point in a relegation battle so yeah I think fine margins are important.
 
TheBigIguana said:
Not saying they're unimportant, I'm just not totally sure it would go exactly the way you'd expect without doing it.
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The way I expect is just fairness. Not arsed about making some grand difference to the league table, I just want fairness in individual games.
 
Mat70s said:
The problem with the VAR discussion - to some extent - is that fans go mad about it when it doesn't comply with their wishes. This isn't suggesting that it's always correct and infallible, but I do find the post-game anger of any fanbase dictated by an apparent VAR bias that doesn't actually exist. The handball on Saturday was an appalling decision - haven't seen anybody try to defend it. But the ensuing 'corruption' stuff does clang a little bit.

'Corruption' has become the thing fans use at every turn these days - from all teams. My team haven't won: "CORRUPTION"; My rival won: "CORRUPTION".

This would carry more water if every set of fans didn't harp on about bias against their team. BlueMoon, RAWK, RedCafe, ShedEnd, ArsenalMania (etc etc) all have posters absolutely convinced that their side is subject to more stringent refereeing decisions than everybody else...it's "CORRUPTION".

Yet these folk never consider favourable decisions as being corrupt. No, that's all fair game. That's how it should be. That's how the cookie crumbles.

VAR isn't corrupt. It's just an extension of human fallibility...as hard as that is to take when a call is so horribly bad.

The thing to ask yourself is this: Would the league table look meaningfully different if every single decision was 100% accurate?
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You’re saying it’s not necessary then?
 

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