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Should VAR be scrapped?

Should VAR be scrapped in English Football

  • Yes

    Votes: 57 64.8%

  • No

    Votes: 24 27.3%

  • Stockley Park on toast

    Votes: 7 8.0%
  • Total voters
    88
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Alan Whittle said:
Fans thinking that they get a raw deal and fans getting a raw deal are two separate things. Unless there is a detailed statistical analysis then I’m going to do what most football fans do and remain partial.
There have been well documented fixes in sport. Without going all conspiracy theory why cannot VAR be fixed? It has not done away with the human element so I fail to see how it couldn’t be fixed on occasion.
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VAR can be fixed, but every side can cry foul because, like you, they are partial. Like you, they focus on the poor decisions that hurt their side.

Last season ManUtd won a record amount of penalties - it was incredible. Calls of fix were happening. This season they’ve not had anywhere near as many. Is it still fixed for them? If not, who is it fixed for. The Top 6? Why fix it for all of them? Wouldn’t it make more sense that a single team benefited.

The fix stuff doesn’t stand up.
 
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Nymzee said:
I fear if we scrap it now then the game would be in a much worse state. The ability of referees now, due to the crutch of VAR, is awful. How many decisions get overturned every game with VAR that refs have missed? Imagine none of those decisions being overturned. To scrap VAR we’d need so much better live officiating.
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If the options are train the referees to do their job or scrap VAR, then training the referees to do their job makes a little more sense to me, which is why I'm resigned to seeing the FA walk back on VAR and go back to the old style which allowed the "big" clubs to win without tedious delay and review.
 
SerenityNigh said:
If the options are train the referees to do their job or scrap VAR, then training the referees to do their job makes a little more sense to me, which is why I'm resigned to seeing the FA walk back on VAR and go back to the old style which allowed the "big" clubs to win without tedious delay and review.
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Which is easier to get right?
 
VAR isn't the problem. Its the corrupt and incompetent officials misusing it that are ruining games up and down the country every single week. VAR is just a scapegoat for their incompetence/corruption. The system would work with officials that knew what they where doing and weren't cheating for the benefit of the elites all the time. Get rid of VAR and nothing will change. We'll still be at the mercy of cheating refs. VAR has actually helped because its made the corruption/incompetence all the more blatant.
 

Gwladysstreetlad said:
VAR isn't the problem. Its the corrupt and incompetent officials misusing it that are ruining games up and down the country every single week. VAR is just the scapegoat for their blame incompetence/corruption. The system would work with officials that knew what they where doing and weren't cheating for the benefit of the elites all the time. Get rid of VAR and nothing will change. We'll still be at the mercy of cheating refs. VAR has actually helped because its made the corruption/incompetence all the more blatant.
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Spot on GSL.
 
Mat70s said:
VAR can be fixed, but every side can cry foul because, like you, they are partial. Like you they focus on the poor decisions that hurt their side

Last season ManUtd won a record amount of penalties - it was incredible. Calls of fix were happening. This season they’ve not had anywhere near as many. Is it still fixed for them? If not, who is it fixed for. The Top 6? Why fix it for all of them? Wouldn’t it make more sense that a single team benefited.

The fix stuff doesn’t stand up.
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With respect, you don’t know what I focus on. Picking one club and one set of circumstances as an isolated example and then saying that as a result “the fix stuff doesn’t stand up” doesn’t stand up.
My previous post referred to seeing a detailed statistical analysis. I’d be interested to see one.
 

Nymzee said:
Which is easier to get right?
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VAR is absolutely possible to implement. I'm biased in part because I've grown up with the Yank versions of VAR (instant replay began in the NFL in mid-80s) but it has evolved and works very well now. The NFL has 7 officials on field who constantly confer on the rules, but the head official (referee or crew chief) is responsible for reviewing footage during the game with the NFL replay team. It's worth noting that while the replay officials are trained in the rules, none of these NFL staff also work as on-field officials. The NHL has a similar system, although it only uses 3 on ice referees, it has a central video review center that is constantly watching and reviewing lives games and will recommend officials look at certain items they've spotted during the match. The NBA has a similar setup but fewer reviewable items (largely sequence related--what time did that happen--or related to positioning of feet (in/out of bounds) or the severity of a foul), although I believe all 3 on court officials watch the review and confer together.

Another element in that the NFL largely gets right is empowering the on field officials to make the right call first, then the video can overturn it if necessary.

So, to answer your question--it's a trick question! Because the issue is not the process or technology but the neaderthal thinking and poor level of training and cognitive ability of your bog average league referee. Add that to the weird and rampant classism that exists in English football (not to mention English culture) and there's no forking way we're ever seeing competence from video review in the PL. Let's just hope the Ukraine mess ends well and the club gets its dirty dollars back soon so the calls fall favorably.
 
Alan Whittle said:
With respect, you don’t know what I focus on. Picking one club and one set of circumstances as an isolated example and then saying that as a result “the fix stuff doesn’t stand up” doesn’t stand up.
My previous post referred to seeing a detailed statistical analysis. I’d be interested to see one.
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What detailed analysis would satisfy you that a fix isn’t in place?
The basic VAR tables that are regularly circulated doesn’t appear to favour any particular ‘type’ of club. Is that sufficient or are you looking at particular calls - subjective pens, red cards or offside decisions?

I’m not sure you’d find a pattern that establishes an apparent bias over time.

My basic point is that human infallibility leads to VAR errors. Not conspiracy. These are more galling than referee errors as the technology hasn’t been used to its fullest potential.
 
Ive seen referees on a Sunday, who are the managers of one of the teams playing, do far better jobs.
On the touchline ,they claim everything, but once given the whistle, some integrity of the sport, kicks in.
 

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