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Sir Landon Of Donovan

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Kay20 said:
In 2012 regular season, 9 goals, 14 assists (including playoffs, 10 goals, 17 assists), and by FAR, the most chances created in the league against everyone in it:


"Notably slowed down" - he was here at the beginning of the year providing our offense. This meme about him slowing down is not supported by any stats. He had nearly a record year in MLS according to his stats - his last double double year (double digit goals & assists) was 2005, and if you include the playoffs, he made it.

Streaky? He was on fire during the playoffs with Robbie Keane. The whole "disappear on the pitch for matches at a time" has been disproven if you actually bother to look at his numbers (I can point you to a giant thread on this if you want - one lovely fan took a giant ton of time to analyze this).

Also, the bold section is flat out false. 2010, 2011 he was leading his club to the playoffs, and in the case of 2011 to the championship. Unreliable footballer? He's been named best XI for years due to his stats (2010 was a "meh" year after the World Cup - I'll give you that one).

Do you watch LA? Cause I do.

Bottom line: LD > Naismith/Pienaar's current form, and that's what matters. He's not displacing Mirallas, but he shouldn't have to.
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Chris Wondolowski just had a record MLS year statistically. Should a Premier League club in need of a good striker sign him? According to your logic they should. MLS stats don't directly translate into EPL performance. I think that should be obvious.

Also, Donovan hasn't been carrying his team. In 2011 his whole team was sound, Beckham had an outstanding year, etc. This year he was probably only the 4th best player on his team. Robbie Keane carried them from the summer through the playoffs. Donovan basically quit the first half of the season, till Bruce Arena told him to start putting out. He did play better throughout the playoffs, I'll give you that.

Anyone that writes about Donovan takes note of how erratic he is as a player. He's shown this at the club and international level for years. And a player that talks every year about how he's lost his passion for the game? Surely that's cause for concern
 
Bryce said:
Chris Wondolowski just had a record MLS year statistically. Should a Premier League club in need of a good striker sign him? According to your logic they should. MLS stats don't directly translate into EPL performance. I think that should be obvious.

Also, Donovan hasn't been carrying his team. In 2011 his whole team was sound, Beckham had an outstanding year, etc. This year he was probably only the 4th best player on his team. Robbie Keane carried them from the summer through the playoffs. Donovan basically quit the first half of the season, till Bruce Arena told him to start putting out. He did play better throughout the playoffs, I'll give you that.

Anyone that writes about Donovan takes note of how erratic he is as a player. He's shown this at the club and international level for years. And a player that talks every year about how he's lost his passion for the game? Surely that's cause for concern
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Not really. Most players who lose passion for football just carry on without saying anything because they don't want to lose the big pay packet. To pretend that all footballers love the game just because they don't speak out is naive.
 
Bryce said:
Chris Wondolowski just had a record MLS year statistically. Should a Premier League club in need of a good striker sign him? According to your logic they should. MLS stats don't directly translate into EPL performance. I think that should be obvious.

Also, Donovan hasn't been carrying his team. In 2011 his whole team was sound, Beckham had an outstanding year, etc. This year he was probably only the 4th best player on his team. Robbie Keane carried them from the summer through the playoffs. Donovan basically quit the first half of the season, till Bruce Arena told him to start putting out. He did play better throughout the playoffs, I'll give you that.

Anyone that writes about Donovan takes note of how erratic he is as a player. He's shown this at the club and international level for years. And a player that talks every year about how he's lost his passion for the game? Surely that's cause for concern
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sorry, but as an avid Galaxy fan myself, You just don't know what you're talking about. Yes, Bruce told LD to shape up, that he wasn't being a good captain; he also told Robbie Keane to bring his heart to the team as well - Robbie himself said he'd "checked out" of the Galaxy, especially when he was with Ireland during the early summer, and Bruce had to get onto him and get him to "buy in" to the team.

And as for Beckham, he can have his best year ever, doesn't matter - everyone knows the team runs through LD.

And acusations of being an erratic player have continually been proved incorrect.
 

Brennan91 said:
Crack.

Find me a player who can come twice come into a team having played a full season in another league and end up giving us a total of 9 assists and 2 goals in 21 games.

He's hard working, has a very good footballing brain, can play in a number of positions and has proven himself on both loan spells he's had with us. I don't really rate our chances of finding a player with that level of ability who is an almost guaranteed performer very easily.

In fact, scratch that, i don't think you could find a player like that who we could afford.
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The money quote in the post.
 
Bryce said:
Chris Wondolowski just had a record MLS year statistically. Should a Premier League club in need of a good striker sign him? According to your logic they should. MLS stats don't directly translate into EPL performance. I think that should be obvious.

Also, Donovan hasn't been carrying his team. In 2011 his whole team was sound, Beckham had an outstanding year, etc. This year he was probably only the 4th best player on his team. Robbie Keane carried them from the summer through the playoffs. Donovan basically quit the first half of the season, till Bruce Arena told him to start putting out. He did play better throughout the playoffs, I'll give you that.

Anyone that writes about Donovan takes note of how erratic he is as a player. He's shown this at the club and international level for years. And a player that talks every year about how he's lost his passion for the game? Surely that's cause for concern
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Bryce,

Unfortunately, you're fighting a losing battle here.

The fact is that Landon Donovan had a very good loan spell here. Twice.

Not just ok, not just so-so. Very. Good. So much so that the Everton supporters took to him almost instantly with the vast majority of them wanting Moyes/Kenwright to find some way to make his stay permanent.

I'm more than confident that if he were to come over to Everton for another loan or full time, he'll do just fine, regardless of his form with LA.
 

Bryce said:
Chris Wondolowski just had a record MLS year statistically. Should a Premier League club in need of a good striker sign him? According to your logic they should. MLS stats don't directly translate into EPL performance. I think that should be obvious.

Also, Donovan hasn't been carrying his team. In 2011 his whole team was sound, Beckham had an outstanding year, etc. This year he was probably only the 4th best player on his team. Robbie Keane carried them from the summer through the playoffs. Donovan basically quit the first half of the season, till Bruce Arena told him to start putting out. He did play better throughout the playoffs, I'll give you that.

Anyone that writes about Donovan takes note of how erratic he is as a player. He's shown this at the club and international level for years. And a player that talks every year about how he's lost his passion for the game? Surely that's cause for concern
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Why would I compare Wondo who has done bupkus with the national team nor won championships to the guy that has helped carry our team twice, has 5 MLS Cup rings, and carried his national team for YEARS? The Wondo argument is irrelevant, and is also a grand total of two years (yes, even including his last year). That was not my logic at all. I was using MLS as an example of LD's consistency and to correct your erroneous statement about his play this year. We know LD fits in here, we saw it twice, and he was anything but "erratic" in both appearances.

"Anyone who writes about LD notes his erraticness" is a gross overstatement.

I didn't say LD carried his team - I said he helped lead his team to the playoffs and championships in 2009-2012. Which is 100% accurate. Without LD, that team is missing a large component of playmaking - yes, even beyond Becks. That's because he supplies the forwards, and notably Robbie Keane.

4th best player? I watched every single LA game this year. His partnership with Robbie Keane - who indeed DID carry LA this year - was instrumental to the team. Of the goals Robbie Keane scored LD assisted on 50%. LD on average provides the majority of LA's chances per game, and creates 3 chances/game, more than any other player - including Robbie Keane - in MLS. And those stats are without taking more than a minuscule amount of LA's dead ball chances.

The whole team sucked in the beginning of the season, I was around for it. Not just LD. All three DPs sucked donkey balls, and all three had a conversation with Bruce Arena.

Read this thread, you'll be better off for it. The erratic argument is lazy, plain and simple. Take special note of the playmaking stats, they are eye-opening (and stick around through the thread, KALM has multiple cuts):
http://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/how-the-usmnt-scores-goals.1948197/
 

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