"sixth, seventh or eighth the best Everton can do"

[bluebottle]

I think he's right in what he said in the original quote. How can we ever expect to finish above the likes of Tottenham and Arsenal, let alone on a regular basis? We had a shot at 4th this year but for various reasons that's not going to happen now. A club with a tiny net spend is never going to be able to sustain a fight against those two, let alone the two Manchester clubs and Chelsea.

Stop being realistic. You could argue a cup maybe should have been delivered but the league i find difficult to find fault with.

 

[Tubey]

I think he's right in what he said in the original quote. How can we ever expect to finish above the likes of Tottenham and Arsenal, let alone on a regular basis? We had a shot at 4th this year but for various reasons that's not going to happen now. A club with a tiny net spend is never going to be able to sustain a fight against those two, let alone the two Manchester clubs and Chelsea.

He didn't say "expect" or "consistently" though; he said sixth, seventh or eighth is "as good as Everton can do", which is why quite a few people are annoyed to put it mildly, because that should be the very least he should be achieving to stay in his job.

 

[bluebottle]

He didn't say "expect" or "consistently" though; he said sixth, seventh or eighth is "as good as Everton can do", which is why quite a few people are annoyed to put it mildly, because that should be the very least he should be achieving to stay in his job.

You being a few people?

 

[Tubey]

You being a few people?

Yeah, sure. Why not.

 

[pfim]

Sunday: we can't do any better than 6th.
Monday: Stay positive!

 

[Baines' left foot]

Stop being realistic. You could argue a cup maybe should have been delivered but the league i find difficult to find fault with.

I agree on the cup front. There's no reason why a team of our size can't win a cup when the likes of Portsmouth, Birmingham and Swansea can.

He didn't say "expect" or "consistently" though; he said sixth, seventh or eighth is "as good as Everton can do", which is why quite a few people are annoyed to put it mildly, because that should be the very least he should be achieving to stay in his job.

I agree. 8th is the absolute minimum we should be achieving year in/year out, not something we should have aspirations for. It depends which way you look at the quote really. In our position we can't really expect to be finishing higher than 6th, though stranger things have happened.

The quote does have that typical Moyes air of defeatism about it though.

 

[bluebottle]

Yeah, sure. Why not.

You are the only one really fuelling this thread though, arguing with a seperate poster every time over the semantics of what he said. If you dont like what he said, you dont like what he said but you could try not telling everyone what you think he said was what he said.

 

[Tubey]

You are the only one really fuelling this thread though, arguing with a seperate poster every time over the semantics of what he said. If you dont like what he said, you dont like what he said but you could try not telling everyone what you think he said was what he said.

The person I was actually replying to has just agreed with me and we're being perfectly cordial about everything. I wasn't arguing with him at all, I was discussing it.

If anything, you're the guy going off topic to have a pop and trying to tell another user of GrandOldTeam what he should and shouldn't do on here. Perhaps take a look at your own actions here.

 

[Christiffa25]

Pretty sure he's not saying its the best we can do but saying its where Everton should realistically finish with squad/funds/spend ect.

What is so hard for some to understand?
Or are some so blinkered in hatred of moyes or just plain unrealistic to what we should/shouldn't be achieving?

 

[Skeleton Crew]

Anyone have this thought:

When Everton wins the FA Cup. Moyes and Fellaini and Baines will all commit to be back.

...and this is all moot.

 

[Tubey]

Pretty sure he's not saying its the best we can do but saying its where Everton should realistically finish with squad/funds/spend ect.

What is so hard for some to understand?
Or are some so blinkered in hatred of moyes or just plain unrealistic to what we should/shouldn't be achieving?

With the current squad, wage structure etc. etc. I expect Everton to finish 6th to 8th. If Moyes had said "6th to 8th is the general aim each season", I wouldn't have a problem at all. But he didn't.

However, I believe Everton have the capability to finish anywhere between 3rd (if everything went right) and 8th (if everything went wrong).

I think it'd take something of a disaster for Everton to finish outside the top ten.

Therefore, I believe that to be treading water, Everton will finish 6th-8th. To exceed expectations - which is what you'd expect a top manager to do - I'd want Everton to finish 4th-6th.

Therefore, the "best Everton can do" should be 4th in my eyes, not 6th/7th/8th.

It's not plain unrealistic or deluded to expect a manager to exceed expectations every now and again.

 

[Hellerad]

What manager in his right mind would say what he said and mean it the way half of you think he meant it. I take what he said as a dose of realism.

Yes we were in a good position to push on. Yes we should have reinforced in January. Yes we have missed a golden opportunity. Yes we should hold Moyes accountable, to a degree. But the season isn't over and I'll keep hoping for the best.

Hindsight is 20/20 and the lot of you backseat driving bleach drinkers can make all the keen observations you want, but the reality is that without investment, any progress will be very slow. Moyes has glaring tactical shortfalls, but I prefer to have him to deal with this worthless board than some unknown entity.

 

[Tubey]

What manager in his right mind would say what he said and mean it the way half of you think he meant it.

Moyes and his squad. Repeatedly.

The famous "knife to a gunfight" quote. Phil Jagielka saying "we can't fight fire with fire" and that we can't beat a big side "if you aren't lucky because it's hard to defend for the whole game".

Hence this in the original post here...

I think this one deserves it's own thread, given the constant debate on the mentality of the side and the inferiority complex we seem to have.

This is just the latest in a long line of justified criticism about Moyes' mentality. The words "negative" and "dithering" go hand in hand with him.

It isn't realistic to say sixth, seventh or eighth is the best Everton can do. I refuse to accept that, basically because with a much less talented squad than what we have now we did do better under the same manager.

 

[billycopper]

Bale has scored 6 of Spurs' last 7 league goals. That's three winning goals and one equaliser, earning his team an extra 7 points. Without him in their side we could be just 2 points behind them.

Cazorla hasn't had quite the same impact at Arsenal but he has been the difference in matches against Villa and Sunderland, earning an extra 4 points for his team.

We could do with somebody to step to the fore ourselves. If I was the manager I might drop Fellaini back alongside Gibson to shore things up now that he's not as effective as an attacking force and give Mirallas freedom in the hole to find us some goals.

 

[bluebottle]

The person I was actually replying to has just agreed with me and we're being perfectly cordial about everything. I wasn't arguing with him at all, I was discussing it.

If anything, you're the guy going off topic to have a pop and trying to tell another user of GrandOldTeam what he should and shouldn't do on here. Perhaps take a look at your own actions here.

I wasn't really having a pop particularly, more saying I think the horse you have flogged may be beyond saving.