4737carlin
Player Valuation: £90m
It was pathetic, and one example of why empty seats, as a few have been saying is a much better way to go
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It's very wrong for anyone to condemn any Evertonians after the last 30 years we've had the patience we've shown. Other clubs just wouldn't put up with what we have.
Now and again that frustration snaps but the fans kept the club up last season and it'll be the fans again if we stay up this time. The atmosphere was bad at this stage last season, it was only later in the season the atmospheres got the players over the line.
Very disappointing to read some on here fall into the RS media narrative and start blaming the fans. You're doing the job for them.
Now and again that frustration snaps but the fans kept the club up last season and it'll be the fans again if we stay up this time. The atmosphere was bad at this stage last season, it was only later in the season the atmospheres got the players over the line.
Very disappointing to read some on here fall into the RS media narrative and start blaming the fans. You're doing the job for them.
Harryflashman
Player Valuation: £60m
What was pathetic the protest or that particular singing ?
4737carlin
Player Valuation: £90m
That singing, the protest was fine, the numbers were good, but it went from being about the board and background stuff to getting onto the players, it was the worst thing we could done.
Good afternoon guys, what an interesting thread.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
Davideeyore
Player Valuation: £35m
4737carlin
Player Valuation: £90m
RS media narrative? Our shamless owner was on Talk Sport last week doing exactly that, its not really RS media narrative when Moshiri is doing it and a lot of good Everton fans are annoyed at a minority, nothing wrong with policing ourselves
The escalation of the past few weeks was always gonna come to a flash point unless the team hit a winning run, which of course, they so didn’t.
Only by taking a step back from the heat and emotions of it all can we dissect what happened, and how it led to all that happened yesterday and through the night.
Sorry for any long winded stuff, bail now like.
Football fans all over generally these days are entitled, self absorbed and way too angry. There’ll be some that constantly reposition that behaviour as they’re too wrapped in something that damages them and their ego can’t let go of it. You’ll note them easily online and in life. They’ll call you lad, a lot, and push whataboutism rather than admit as fully grown adults they perhaps should choose another weekend pastime that doesn’t make them act like angry dickheads.
However this by comparison a tiny % of Evertonians, some calm and many angry, who have been lied to, patronised and let down over the years. These same fans mobilised last season to be a big reason why the club stayed up and avoid a catastrophic relegation. That was the exact point for those people leading Everton in senior positions to either resign or be fired by an owner, who also should have realised he needs to sell sooner than later. Instead those people acted as politicians and done delay tactics on fans for self survival.
Fast forward half a season and those fans find themselves in an even worse predicament and now feeling much less listened to. The staunchness of Everton fans is such that they can rightfully feel very pissed off, angry with being misled in this way.
Then the mobilising of Everton fans and groups in the past few weeks and the club’s complete inability to deal with that, to communicate effectively and put means in place to engage, make commitments and dispel the growing anger. An owner once again communicating on Murdoch’s mouthpiece despite widespread repulsion at this on previous occasions.
To match day and planned protest and the club decide to do a powerplay of advising none of those leaders will be present at the stadium and, with deliberate timing, leak that their CEO had been placed in a headlock ten days before by an Everton fan. Result; the media and everyone else dines out on supposed brutish Everton fans, and the fuse is lit. Treat people depraved and they will act depraved. The timing of leaking this seems deliberate, and contributed to behaviour later on.
Point of order though I’d be inclined to be concerned that a female member of staff has been treated in this way by a fan subject to further info, rather than going down the route of denial. There’s every chance it happen and the dynamics of it are awful. Yet still not representative of 99.99% of normal blues, many of whom wish to protest in a progressive and healthy way.
It’s said that in revolution the socialists use the anarchists to overwhelm the system then throw the anarchists under the bus for being brutish and a threat, once power is seized. Although not a perfect comparison you can see some of the mechanisms here. It will a succession of escalations and along that way some elements were always gonna get too angry and say, do stupid things, and not take any accountability for it.
At the heart of accountability though is the club that represents all of us and had many opportunities to act better, more decisively, and instead eschewed them either out of incompetence, arrogance or as with the timing of statements yesterday, beleaguered.
A relatively tiny % few need to look at why they follow football if it makes them act that way. So rather than blame it’s about accountability. Who will take it? Personally I’d like to see the institution that means so much to all of these people, people who attach their whole identity to it, people who spend every pound they don’t have to support them, people whose entire week revolves around Everton, yes that institution, take ownership for the years of pain they’ve inflicted on people who love them. Everton can still avoid a devastating relegation if that accountability happens now, and if it does then watch the same fans, including the ones grabbing media headlines for the wrong reasons, come together to push them over the line.
Tick. Tock.
Only by taking a step back from the heat and emotions of it all can we dissect what happened, and how it led to all that happened yesterday and through the night.
Sorry for any long winded stuff, bail now like.
Football fans all over generally these days are entitled, self absorbed and way too angry. There’ll be some that constantly reposition that behaviour as they’re too wrapped in something that damages them and their ego can’t let go of it. You’ll note them easily online and in life. They’ll call you lad, a lot, and push whataboutism rather than admit as fully grown adults they perhaps should choose another weekend pastime that doesn’t make them act like angry dickheads.
However this by comparison a tiny % of Evertonians, some calm and many angry, who have been lied to, patronised and let down over the years. These same fans mobilised last season to be a big reason why the club stayed up and avoid a catastrophic relegation. That was the exact point for those people leading Everton in senior positions to either resign or be fired by an owner, who also should have realised he needs to sell sooner than later. Instead those people acted as politicians and done delay tactics on fans for self survival.
Fast forward half a season and those fans find themselves in an even worse predicament and now feeling much less listened to. The staunchness of Everton fans is such that they can rightfully feel very pissed off, angry with being misled in this way.
Then the mobilising of Everton fans and groups in the past few weeks and the club’s complete inability to deal with that, to communicate effectively and put means in place to engage, make commitments and dispel the growing anger. An owner once again communicating on Murdoch’s mouthpiece despite widespread repulsion at this on previous occasions.
To match day and planned protest and the club decide to do a powerplay of advising none of those leaders will be present at the stadium and, with deliberate timing, leak that their CEO had been placed in a headlock ten days before by an Everton fan. Result; the media and everyone else dines out on supposed brutish Everton fans, and the fuse is lit. Treat people depraved and they will act depraved. The timing of leaking this seems deliberate, and contributed to behaviour later on.
Point of order though I’d be inclined to be concerned that a female member of staff has been treated in this way by a fan subject to further info, rather than going down the route of denial. There’s every chance it happen and the dynamics of it are awful. Yet still not representative of 99.99% of normal blues, many of whom wish to protest in a progressive and healthy way.
It’s said that in revolution the socialists use the anarchists to overwhelm the system then throw the anarchists under the bus for being brutish and a threat, once power is seized. Although not a perfect comparison you can see some of the mechanisms here. It will a succession of escalations and along that way some elements were always gonna get too angry and say, do stupid things, and not take any accountability for it.
At the heart of accountability though is the club that represents all of us and had many opportunities to act better, more decisively, and instead eschewed them either out of incompetence, arrogance or as with the timing of statements yesterday, beleaguered.
A relatively tiny % few need to look at why they follow football if it makes them act that way. So rather than blame it’s about accountability. Who will take it? Personally I’d like to see the institution that means so much to all of these people, people who attach their whole identity to it, people who spend every pound they don’t have to support them, people whose entire week revolves around Everton, yes that institution, take ownership for the years of pain they’ve inflicted on people who love them. Everton can still avoid a devastating relegation if that accountability happens now, and if it does then watch the same fans, including the ones grabbing media headlines for the wrong reasons, come together to push them over the line.
Tick. Tock.
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Blue_Eagle
Player Valuation: £8m
Stopped reading after this point but gave you a like anyway cos, 'you're alright you lad'.
This is an expert guide on how to handle any post you ever see me attempt. Take note GOT. Even though I disagree with the nice man that I’m alright.
Goodisongang
Player Valuation: £25m
I know mad init, road blocks?
Should be trying to get him out of the club not keep him here!!!
Blue_Eagle
Player Valuation: £8m
And your attempts are as effective as Seamus Coleman lining up for a shot on his weaker foot after bulldozing his way down the flank, friend.
I’ve really felt this lately. I’ve tried so hard friend and yet at best I get a rolling of the eyes at my very very antagonism. I think it’s over.
Blue_Eagle
Player Valuation: £8m
I personally feel you'd be nothing without that RED avatar.
NEVER change it or fall you shall...
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