They do to be fair, when the relationship is the same as with the gambling companies that do it.
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4737carlin
Player Valuation: £90m
Ive wondered if those who have been positive about this move, like the idiots on Facebook saying we need the money...etc I wonder if some of them are secret addicts and that's why they are sticking up for it, they don't want to accept what that industry is and how wrong it is with have gone along with it
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
No chance at all they will be mate, absolutely zero
Or to further explain, they may get suspended on his appeal, but not lifted, and it's effect on us will be negligible, he'll have access to his money/assets again which have been frozen, but that won't translate into any change in being able to suddenly sponsor us again.
I think the majority of people who are sticking up for it are doing so because we absolutely do need the money. I'd rather us not be sponsored by a gambling firm but i'd be a massive hypocrite to kick off about it because I have the occasional bet myself, just like I also drink alcohol and do numerous other things that for some people would be morally/ethically dubious. The reality is that we play in a competition which is very much in bed with gambling and alcohol, and in which most clubs (ourselves included) have ties to some very dodgy people. Just deciding that this particular sponsorship is an outrage makes absolutely no sense in that context, but as you rightly say, lots of people are idiots so it's no great surprise.
4737carlin
Player Valuation: £90m
The sanctions will go on for a while, if anything might get worse, look at them two British soldiers who have been sentenced to death in Russia, this is going to run on for years, no wonder Abramovich bailed, Usmanov is done for good
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Weirdly mate, I do t think he is long term, the sanctions on individuals will IMO start getting suspended and later in the year overturned via the courts, and rightly so as the basis for them in legal terms just simply isn't there.
The two British guys is now just a bargaining thing, have zero sympathy for anyone who goes to a warzone like these did (2014 onwards Donbass was that) and even though subsequently they've become Ukrainian, they where over there and fighting in that area before Russia invaded. Feel the exact same way if any European went fighting for Russia too.
That's my feeling too. They're under sanctions for now, based on what was essentially a knee jerk reaction. I suspect they hoped all the Oligarchs would put the squeeze on Putin. I guess they missed the part about him being the wealthiest Oligarch of all.
Usmanov filed his formal appeal a few days ago and a verdict is expected in the next week or so on a temporary suspension of sanctions before a final lifting later in the year.
The wording in Moshiris statement:
"Finally, we cannot forget the ongoing atrocity occurring every day in Ukraine."
Not a chance that's released without him running it by his bestie first. They're just moving a couple of chess pieces around.
The two lads that have been given the death sentence? Political pawns.
I suspect they'll be rather uncomfortable and they'd be a lot safer if held by actual Russian forces as opposed to Russian backed rebels. If you climb into a tigers cage, there's a fair chance you're going to get bitten.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
Anyone going out there for war and feeling sorry for themselves is an idiot IMO. You got to a war, and you will likely end up dying. Theres nothing glamorous in it.
Theres already backsliding on these sanctions. They're not working. The wealthiest will have got their money out and it just punishes tbe poorest Russians, and the poorest in our society. They cant, and will not go far enough to turn the gas/oil off as it would be a huge act of self sabotage to do so.
At some point Russia take the east, and a deal will need to be done.
For us, it's a case of keeping things on the down low for a period. It's why, for a long time, I said Usmanov would never come out into the open, and would never want to come out into the open. He has leverage behind the scenes though. The ground development will bring massive investment to the area, at a time when the country is desperate.
brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
It's no coincidence that gambling companies proliferate outside the Top Six.
I used to be one of those people demanding more from our commercial team, but in reality their hands are tied to a large extent by the teams results and performances.
We certainly need to be pushing hard for more and improved sponsorship deals, but there are slim pickings open to us. There is a set menu of sponsors and it makes sense to choose the most lucrative, even if in our context the amounts are never going to be eye-watering.
We are a long way from being approached directly by a blue-chip sponsor or having more than one decent option in that regard.
I would hope that the move to Bramley Moore increases our attractiveness, but if it does so, the increased amounts are not going to be game-changing.
I used to be one of those people demanding more from our commercial team, but in reality their hands are tied to a large extent by the teams results and performances.
We certainly need to be pushing hard for more and improved sponsorship deals, but there are slim pickings open to us. There is a set menu of sponsors and it makes sense to choose the most lucrative, even if in our context the amounts are never going to be eye-watering.
We are a long way from being approached directly by a blue-chip sponsor or having more than one decent option in that regard.
I would hope that the move to Bramley Moore increases our attractiveness, but if it does so, the increased amounts are not going to be game-changing.
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windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
Having a drink and a bet now and again doesn't make you a hypocrite for being disappointed with booze or gambling sponsors at your football club. You don't have to be an addict to recognise addiction is a problem. You also don't have to think banning vices from society is the same thing as banning promotion of vices. I like a pint a couple of times a week, I don't think booze should be banned, but I do think advertising booze at an event with an enormous audience of children should be banned (and is in many cases). I also think gambling is even more pernicious because it is a largely online service now which allows for more intrusive targeted advertising and addiction to gambling is also often less identifiable in addicts because there are fewer observable traits in public life, so help often comes later, sometimes too late. I don't think gambling should be banned but, again, advertising gambling to an audience composed of a significantly large number of children should be.
As a club we're behind the curve on this and I'm not sure the delta between a gambling company and a non-gambling company sponsor (I would guess somewhere in the region of £2-3m, or ~1% of our turnover) is worth the reputational damage.
Duncan Donuts
Player Valuation: £750k
What are their odds like? Paddy Power’s are gash.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I think the issue is, we have been quite good at pointing out all the immorality of Liverpool, so its hard to row back off that hill.
There's a few aspects to that.
Firstly, there's a difference being disappointed with the sponsorship and 'kicking off' about it, which I addressed in my own post. I would rather we didn't do this but I believe it would be hypocritical of me to make a big fuss about it, because I've never complained about gambling ads on billboards at the ground, or the betting kiosks in the stands, or the fact that the league we were very close to spending next season in is sponsored by a gambling company or any of the other myriad of things that link football and gambling. If you have then that's genuinely great and I applaud you for your stance. If you haven't then for me personally this particular sponsorship being seen as completely unacceptable doesn't really make an awful lot of sense.
What should and shouldn't be advertised is a moral maze. I'm vegan, so personally I don't like the normalisation of the meat and dairy industry at events kids go to, but it isn't illegal and if Everton were sponsored by McDonalds or whatever then once again I wouldn't like it but i'd just accept that they were looking out for themselves and not thinking of my sensibilities. Whether someone like Standard Chartered who've made it almost a personal crusade in recent years to breach trade sanctions and fail to comply with financial regulations would be a morally superior sponsor I don't know either.
Finally, what reputational damage is there really? Virtually half the teams we shared a pitch with last year were sponsored by gambling companies, and almost every game we played in had gambling ads round the pitch. There've been some hatchet jobs this week in the media but the reality is there's pretty much no reputational damage in the grand scheme of things. If we really were some sort of anti-establishment club who were known around the world for our moral stance then it would be different but we're absolutely not that, so this idea of irreparable damage to the brand just seems like straw clutching to me.
As fans you mean? I can understand that, that it might be a bit embarrassing for grown men who've been trying to point score by taking the moral ground about their football team, but for me that's probably one of the upsides of the deal if it's happening. I don't think the club have really done that though.
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