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twoblue said:
If you didn’t kick off about uncle uz link you’d unlikely complain about anyone
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Maybe although that is mitigated by my overall lack of knowledge of Usmanov’s background and the lack of clarity of the extent of his involvement with us

Also I never said anything about kicking off in the first place
 
DavidH said:
Barely any other fan cares though. I remember growing up and watching finals in the 90's and being in awe at proper clubs at the pinnacle of the sport, deservedly fighting it out to be the big one. Now because of you, PSG etc it's just not the same. I remember you beating Utd in the cup semi-final the year you won the cup for the first time in years and being happy for you, also who will ever forget that Aguero moment but that's the it ended as an underdog story. You fell into a stadium because of the commonwealth games and all of a sudden became and attractive proposition to super rich people. They wouldn't have touched you if you were at main Road. Robinho hadn't even heard of you when he signed. It's financial doping and everybody knows why you're in the final tonight, cheating. Of course you'll enjoy it and good for you fella.
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This is precisely it.

City fans will celebrate - good luck to them - but there's no glory in this if glory is also about garnering the plaudits and admiration of neutrals. City fans say they don't care, but they wouldn't be on here fulminating against those of us who point out that the Emperor has no clothes (or rather has had them stitched by slaves locked in his dystopian prisons) if that were true.

We could look the other way, as neutrals, when clubs run by dodgy businessmen won this crown. It's a lot harder to do that when the clubs winning now are run by killers.
 
Couldn’t care less.

If you want morality you’re in the wrong sport.

Teams owned by billionaires will be spending money that is earned from these very same states that people object to so much. The big banks on the front of team’s shirts have laundered money from sketchy sources they shouldn’t have to profit. The airlines on the front of others may as well be state owned.

Ultimately people are annoyed by City because they’re winning not because they’re owned by Abu Dhabi. The top teams all have more than enough cash to go out and get a squad of 22 top players and a world class manager. It’s then down to who does it better and at the moment that’s Guardiola by a mile and he’s at City.

What’s really behind the moaning is a desire to go back to the days when Liverpool United and Arsenal had such an unassailable financial advantage over everyone else that they could outspend everyone and win everything. Now there’s 7 or 8 teams in the PL who are all capable of spending big and these teams don’t like having to compete on a level playing field.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Couldn’t care less.

If you want morality you’re in the wrong sport.

Teams owned by billionaires will be spending money that is earned from these very same states that people object to so much. The big banks on the front of team’s shirts have laundered money from sketchy sources they shouldn’t have to profit. The airlines on the front of others may as well be state owned.

Ultimately people are annoyed by City because they’re winning not because they’re owned by Abu Dhabi. The top teams all have more than enough cash to go out and get a squad of 22 top players and a world class manager. It’s then down to who does it better and at the moment that’s Guardiola by a mile and he’s at City.

What’s really behind the moaning is a desire to go back to the days when Liverpool United and Arsenal had such an unassailable financial advantage over everyone else that they could outspend everyone and win everything. Now there’s 7 or 8 teams in the PL who are all capable of spending big and these teams don’t like having to compete on a level playing field.
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Nah. I've no interest in United, Liverpool, and Arsenal dominating. City's dominance provides that silver lining of schadenfreue. In fact, I hope City win the next 10 Premier Leagues now that they've won this European Cup. The sport deserves to be destroyed. What's behind my "moaning" is the fact that a sportswashing regime is succeeding at pulling the wool over people's eyes to the extent that they can't see the difference between human rights abusing dictatorships and Malcolm Glazer.

In a nutshell: it might actually be possible to regulate one if there is the political will, but nobody is ever going to regulate Mohammed Bin-Salman.
 

Billy Dean said:
It’s not so much the financial doping IMO. Football has always been dominated by those with more money. It’s where the money comes from and why the source is investing it. I don’t begrudge City their success as such, but if it was us I’m not sure how excited I would be getting about it
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This is pretty much how I feel.

Growing up in the 90s, Utd were the big spenders, due to their commercial and brand success. You also had the Real Madrid 'Galaticos' - they even managed to buy Figo from Barce - unthinkable. Barca and Madrid have always been the most commercially effective La Liga teams.

The money now comes from elsewhere and often unethical and in obscene amounts, but money is not new to football.

Bayern are part fan-owned, aren't they? Like all German clubs - so no big benefactor there. Just commercialisation prowess and probably a slanted league payout scheme/TV deal like Barce/Real have in La Liga.

Football has evolved, but it's no less enjoyable for me personally because I don't remember a time when money hasn't been the main factor in a team's success or failure.

If anything, it lures the global stars to the prem and that rarely happened in the 90s/00s, with players preferring to play in Italy or Spain for weather and tax advantages.
 
Drico said:
Nah. I've no interest in United, Liverpool, and Arsenal dominating. City's dominance provides that silver lining of schadenfreue. In fact, I hope City win the next 10 Premier Leagues now that they've won this European Cup. The sport deserves to be destroyed. What's behind my "moaning" is the fact that a sportswashing regime is succeeding at pulling the wool over people's eyes to the extent that they can't see the difference between human rights abusing dictatorships and Malcolm Glazer.

In a nutshell: it might actually be possible to regulate one if there is the political will, but nobody is ever going to regulate Mohammed Bin-Salman.
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If you're actually on about what the owners do outside football fair enough. Within the game there's no difference.
 
Billy Dean said:
It’s not so much the financial doping IMO. Football has always been dominated by those with more money. It’s where the money comes from and why the source is investing it. I don’t begrudge City their success as such, but if it was us I’m not sure how excited I would be getting about it
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This isn't how it has always been. United won the 4th treble in all of Europe in 1999. 4 in 55 years going into Barcelona winning it in 2009. Now we've had 6 in 14 years. The level of dominance is way higher and that matters.
 
Interestingly enough I could quite easily see Everton being a club targeted by a wealthy Middle-Eastern state in the future. Let's see what the sentiment on here would be if that actually happened. I can't lie, if Sunderland had have been bought by PIF I would have been devastated, shouting "sports washing" and "blood money" every time I got the chance. Football fans are fickle. lol
 

TheBigIguana said:
This isn't how it has always been. United won the 4th treble in all of Europe in 1999. 4 in 55 years going into Barcelona winning it in 2009. Now we've had 6 in 14 years. The level of dominance is way higher and that matters.
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The same sort of dominance in the prem. Up to 1986, only five teams had done the domestic double, and two of them were in the 1800s. Few teams, us included, had come close. Since the prem, this has been done nine times, and five of those, Man u and Arsenal were in an 8 year period. The start of the prem gave clubs a licence to print money and the Americans, Russians and the others saw this and took a chance to make even more. The dominance has now led to European football and this will surely lead to their super league.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Couldn’t care less.

If you want morality you’re in the wrong sport.

Teams owned by billionaires will be spending money that is earned from these very same states that people object to so much. The big banks on the front of team’s shirts have laundered money from sketchy sources they shouldn’t have to profit. The airlines on the front of others may as well be state owned.

Ultimately people are annoyed by City because they’re winning not because they’re owned by Abu Dhabi. The top teams all have more than enough cash to go out and get a squad of 22 top players and a world class manager. It’s then down to who does it better and at the moment that’s Guardiola by a mile and he’s at City.

What’s really behind the moaning is a desire to go back to the days when Liverpool United and Arsenal had such an unassailable financial advantage over everyone else that they could outspend everyone and win everything. Now there’s 7 or 8 teams in the PL who are all capable of spending big and these teams don’t like having to compete on a level playing field.
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Spot on, I couldn't have put it better myself. So much so, I'll probably copy and paste that and put it on other forums as my own opinion lol.

If Everton don't win, then I couldn't give a monkey's toss who does, as long as it's not the RS. And I certainly don't care where the money comes from, as someone else said "why should football be the one to stand up to the big oil states" ? The government certainly don't.

If it's not Everton then I don't care. United winning is fine because it winds up the RS as @davek points out.
City winning is fine too as it's upset the apple cart. Anyone but the RS for me.
 

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