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There are 3 tournaments worthy of playing for when your a team like Everton. The Premier League, The Champions League and the FA Cup. Ive always thought that way.

Really? We've never competed in the CL proper, it's 19 years come May since we lifted the FA Cup & barring an Arab lotto win we'll never win the PL for as long as any of us have a hole in our arse.
 
That's a very Arsenal'esque way of looking at the entire issue.

However, you've missed the point I made earlier - the prize money you've mentioned for obtaining the Euro place via the league is much more easily attained by winning 5 rounds of the LC & a final at Wembley.........

but at what expense? With a squad like ours playing our first 11 for every game of the season? It wouldnt happen of course, because you'd get injuries.

You have to rotate, theres no alternative!!!
 
Continue to progress? I must have missed us starting to progress.

Im a glass half full kinda guy.

Id consider progress to be evident from biting my nails watching Nick Barmby having his penalty saved by Magnus Hedman to consistent top 7 finishes.

But again, each to their own.
 
well thats your opinion, which i respect.

I personally would rather not be on 2 points after 7 games as thats relegation form. But each to their own!

We're not going to go down, we're not going to win the league.

I like watching us win league games, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it matters much how many we do. The cups are what are important to me.

I'd rather rotate in the league (as long as it's not a derby).
 
Sod it, i'm doing it.

List of clubs who have knocked Everton out of all cup competitions entered since 1995.

Feyenoord
Port Vale
Millwall
York City
Bradford
Coventry
Newcastle
Sunderland
Newcastle
Oxford
Aston Villa
Bristol Rovers
Tranmere
Crystal Palace
Middlesborough
Chelsea
Shrewsbury
Middlesborough
Fulham
Arsenal
Manchester Utd
Villareal
Dinamo Bucharest
Middlesborough
Chelsea
Arsenal
Blackburn
Oldham
Chelsea
Fiorentina
Standard Liege
Blackburn
Chelsea
Tottenham
Birmingham
Sporting Lisbon
Brentford
Reading
Chelsea
Liverpool
Leeds
Wigan
Fulham

Some real powerhouses of World Football right there, I think that's pretty shameful given how quick we are to gloat about past success and stuff, we shouldn't be getting beaten by sh*te like that year on year in all honesty. That's not saying we're gonna smash the cups every couple of years but ffs...
 

We're not going to go down, we're not going to win the league.

I like watching us win league games, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it matters much how many we do. The cups are what are important to me.

I'd rather rotate in the league (as long as it's not a derby).

I do get what your saying. Its hard for us ever to compete PROPERLY at the top of the league, and the cup with its unpredictability could offer us more of a chance of success.

I just think in the modern era theres got to be a balance, and most managers have the same thought in that a time to freshen up the fitness of the squad is in the league cup.

And rotating in the derby? What idiot would do that? I mean, no-one would actually drop an unbeaten side, playing Big Vic left wing at Anfield....

Your bonkers you mate ;)
 
but at what expense? With a squad like ours playing our first 11 for every game of the season? It wouldnt happen of course, because you'd get injuries.

You have to rotate, theres no alternative!!!

I look at it this way - say you have a business and you have three clients. One pays you £1,000,000 a year if you hit attainable targets (The League), the other pays £300,000 with an extra £200,000 if you hit difficult targets (The FA Cup) and the other pays £50,000, with an outside chance of a £200,000 bonus if you hit every target (The League Cup).

Which one are you going to pay the most attention to and put your valuable assets towards achieving?

Everton is a business, whether people like it or not that's a fact. The focus will always be on the primary competitions. You're 100% correct in what you're saying, it's common sense and actually goes beyond opinion.

The difficulty is that the actual issue of a "trophy" is an emotive subject, so business logic and common sense goes out of the window at the expense of a lust for a trophy - hence artetafan saying he's rather lose half a dozen league games than one League Cup game. Logically, that is an incredibly bad opinion, but if the allure of silverware is that strong then as a football fan that is what is going to take priority.

But... It's the League Cup, so I still can't understand it. If it were the FA Cup, then I'd completely understand emotion overpowering logic, but for the League Cup the whole thing feels like overkill for me. We played a shadow side like every other club did and we got put out by a Premier League club, I don't understand the drama.
 
but at what expense? With a squad like ours playing our first 11 for every game of the season? It wouldnt happen of course, because you'd get injuries.

You have to rotate, theres no alternative!!!

We haven't got a game until next Monday, there was no necessity to rotate at all.

You play a total of 5 rounds to get to the final ffs, it's not like we'd be playing every midweek for months on end.

In any case, we're not going to get into Europe via the league this season, I think most of us have already accepted that, so why not push for the LC this season?

He made the wrong call last night imo, simple as that. It has no bearing on my thoughts on him, I'm just a bit disappointed that he didn't see what I consider to be the obvious...
 
I look at it this way - say you have a business and you have three clients. One pays you £1,000,000 a year if you hit attainable targets (The League), the other pays £300,000 with an extra £200,000 if you hit difficult targets (The FA Cup) and the other pays £50,000, with an outside chance of a £200,000 bonus if you hit every target (The League Cup).

Which one are you going to pay the most attention to and put your valuable assets towards achieving?

Everton is a business, whether people like it or not that's a fact. The focus will always be on the primary competitions. You're 100% correct in what you're saying, it's common sense and actually goes beyond opinion.

The difficulty is that the actual issue of a "trophy" is an emotive subject, so business logic and common sense goes out of the window at the expense of a lust for a trophy - hence artetafan saying he's rather lose half a dozen league games than one League Cup game. Logically, that is an incredibly bad opinion, but if the allure of silverware is that strong then as a football fan that is what is going to take priority.

But... It's the League Cup, so I still can't understand it. If it were the FA Cup, then I'd completely understand emotion overpowering logic, but for the League Cup the whole thing feels like overkill for me. We played a shadow side like every other club did and we got put out by a Premier League club, I don't understand the drama.

This.
 
We haven't got a game until next Monday, there was no necessity to rotate at all.

You play a total of 5 rounds to get to the final ffs, it's not like we'd be playing every midweek for months on end.

In any case, we're not going to get into Europe via the league this season, I think most of us have already accepted that, so why not push for the LC this season?

He made the wrong call last night imo, simple as that. It has no bearing on my thoughts on him, I'm just a bit disappointed that he didn't see what I consider to be the obvious...

its not a problem now no, but it could be a problem in the later months of the season when, or the dreaded christmas fixture pile up.

I see what your saying but I just respectfully disagree. Entertaining debate though!
 

Last years final. Swansea City v Bradford City says enough really.

Do i want to see Everton win the Capital cup? not really, i think it should be scrapped or made exclusively into a cup for reserve teams because noone really takes it seriously and a place in the equally embarrasing Europa League isnt enough for me to get excited about. There are 3 tournaments worthy of playing for when your a team like Everton. The Premier League, The Champions League and the FA Cup. Ive always thought that way.
Thats not to say i dont want us to win if we play in the carling cup or europa league, its just to say if we were to win any of these tournaments I dont think it really does anything for our reputation and i remember slating liverpool fans a few years ago for winning it. its mickey mouse and noone cares.

So if Everton were in a League Cup final or Europa League final, you wouldn't care about the outcome because they're second rate, Mickey Mouse trophies?

Utter sh*te.
 
Didn't enjoy Rotterdam at all then?

Europe was a lot different back then but now its all changed. Back then the Champions were the only teams to play in the European Cup which is now Champions League and this made competitions like the cup winners cup a lot more prestigious. The Europa League is a terrible competion and its ****eness is further compounded by the fact that teams who fail in the Champions League manage to find themselves in the latter stages of the Europa League. Secondly its another competion where reserve teams are fielded and that takes away the value of the tournament.
 
So if Everton were in a League Cup final or Europa League final, you wouldn't care about the outcome because they're second rate, Mickey Mouse trophies?

Utter sh*te.

He didn't say that - in fact, he said the exact opposite - "Thats not to say i dont want us to win if we play in the carling cup or europa league..."
 
And why exactly were we resting players a full six days before a home game against Newcastle?

If you want to rotate players or get them game time, you make two or three changes then bring some more on as subs if possible. What was it, eight changes last night?
 

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