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[Allezfan]

3 mate.

Don 't be daft, lad.

 

[toffee-fellaini]

0 trophies in 18 years is why fans probably want Everton to win the league cup.

 

[Brennan]

OK to get things straight early on:

I want Everton to win everything they play in. I just don't think we should be focussing on winning the League Cup.

I think the manager is right to rotate his squad for a competition that is much less important than the other two we're in.

Just so people don't start saying things about me that aren't true, again.

That's not what he has said, I have said, or anyone else. In fact he and I have said the complete opposite.

You know full well what the point being made is. It's a Mickey Mouse cup. I'm interested in how Deulofeu and Stones do, and interested in watching an Everton match, the same as I would a pre-season friendly or whatever, but I just don't care if we go out or not. There's a difference between not caring about the COC and not caring about Everton.

You were saying ?

 

[Tubey]

It has got sod all to do with the 'younger generation'. The majority of people just disagree with you.

Disagree with what exactly?

 

[Goat]

Don 't be daft, lad.

We have as much chance of winning the League as any of the Cups.

 

[bluemangroup]

Win one trophy, any trophy and it raises our profile again. Ideally it would be the FA cup for me but dismissing one competition all together seems an odd logic.

 

[Allezfan]

We all would, but that's not the question I'm asking - I'm asking whether it's an absolute necessity to win any trophy to feel like a big club or a club of relevance in the modern game?

Because, for me, I feel Everton are relevant regardless. Yes, would love it if we cleaned the board, won the league, etc. but I'm still proud to say I support a big club without feeling deluded in the slightest, because the history is there to back the claim up.

Well, obviously.

We'd still be a big club even if we got relegated.

I'd still rather we didn't.

 

[Tubey]

You were saying ?

I don't care. If we go out, oh well. If we go through, oh well. If we win it, well done, excellent, but it should never be a focus for the club. Key word bolded.

The manager clearly agrees, as do the majority of Premier League managers.

 

[Allezfan]

We have as much chance of winning the League as any of the Cups.

Don't be daft lad.

 

[Del]

Win one trophy, any trophy and it raises our profile again. Ideally it would be the FA cup for me but dismissing one competition all together seems an odd logic.

Nope sorry

Winning the LC will not raise our profile one jot

 

[Brennan]

Disagree with what exactly?

That winning it wouldn't make a bit of difference to our club, that we're 'above' winning a trophy we have never won and winning it would be the first trophy full stop in two decades.

Basically.

 

[Hellerad]

It's disappointing to lose the way we did to Fulham. Add to that the fact that it means an early cup exit makes it worse. In the end, it was the lesser of two cups and it makes sense to rotate the squad, but I don't blame any supporter for questioning the adjustments that were made.

But its not an indictment of the club, the coach, or any player. Except maybe Heitinga.

 

[Goat]

Don't be daft lad.

I refuse to discuss this further with you.

 

[tim cahill]

I'd rather win the league cup and finish 8th than finish 5th and win nothing.

 

[Coach]

Following on from a discussion in the match thread that has honestly taken me by surprise, so a genuine question for the younger fans.

Do you genuinely feel that winning the League Cup (or ANY cup for that matter) is a prerequisite for Everton to be an established big club?

The reason I ask is because I understand we haven't won anything since 1995 and that is now an entire life for an 18 year old lad, so I wonder how much influence the history and prestige of the club has on how you view yourself as an Evertonian.

Now, I'm not deluded. I know we're not a successful footballing giant in the modern era like Manchester United, or even to a lesser extent Liverpool. Or one of the nouveau riche Chelsea and Man City, who could be argued to be "bigger" depending on your criteria.

But I'm alarmed at the absolute panic at not playing a full strength side in a League Cup game in a transitional season following a good start in the league? See, for me, we're still a massive football club, and the focus will always be above and beyond the League Cup.

So... yeah, are younger people seriously in meltdown over going out of the League Cup or is this just temporary over the top kneejerking?

I've had a season ticket since 1969.

It is quite clear to me that the premise of your question is absurd. The stature of clubs waxes and wanes over time. Huddersfield were a big club once.

Any club and it's fans (WHATEVER their age) wants to win every competition it is in, otherwise there is no point in entering.

Being blase about defeat is stupid in my opinion.