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Steven Gerrard: GOT Retrospective

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my wife (who knows nothing about football) said to me yesterday, "has that footballer died" as she'd seen so many Gerrard tributes on facebook and the news she assumed he'd died, that's the amount of coverage he's got this weekend
 
Pathetic really the amount of media attention he was given.

Have RAWK organised a march yet for him? Candle-lit vigil at Annie Road? Really hope they get him back on loan when he is 46.
 
One non-negative thing I'll say about him

Once Jags became a prominent member of the England squad, he was always very complimentary about him. He specifically listed Jags alongside himself and Rooney as respected veterans that the younger players could look up to

He was the first Non-Everton player to really present Jags in that light in front of the media

It was nice to see someone with reasonable clout amongst the journo's put our captain over



Of course, he spoiled it somewhat by making Jags face the TV cameras after the loss to Uruguay, but hey ho
 
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Don't know if he actually said this, but it's true. He was a bad snide who on more than a few occasions tried to break a fellow pros leg.

A very good player, but massive over-rated. Was only approaching world class for about two seasons, and was half the player the likes of Scholes, Keane, Vieira etc. were.

Without the cult like status his deluded club fans and the zealots in the media showed, he would be remembered for what he was - a guy who single handedly won the Champions League for his club once, but other than briefly shining for a few years, he flattered to deceive, failed miserably on the international stage and was always a lesser player amongst his supposed peers.
 
How did he forge such a saint-like reputation among neutral supporters and professionals?

A career full of horrific tackles, loads of sendings off, flagrant diving all over the place, cheating to get players sent off, etc. How is he regarded as such a wonderful man and role model? He's a disgrace.

Good player mind (until two years ago), but an absolute shocking role model.
 

I wish people would stop comparing him to world class centre midfielders he was distinctly average in that position. He was an above average right winger or number 10 so if you compare him to players in them positions he competes. Anytime and everytime he played in midfield for England I knew we would struggle.
 
Has been put in a good light because he was the last of a golden age of centre mids in the prem. Keane, Scholes, Vieira, Gilberto Silva, Lampard, Makelele Gerrard all clashing against each other on a regular basis. Who is there now to take on that mantle? Toure (32 and prob leaving) Matic (only just arrived) and Fabregas are probably the only three centre kids of any real quality. One is leaving and the other two play for the same team. If top quality heirs to the likes of the names listed above had come forth then the illusion of Gerrard still bring a world class operator would have been smashed long before cart horses like Jedinak and Ashley Westwood were giving him the run around. Between about 2010 and now he stood virtually unopposed as a top centre mid in the league apart from Toure yet allowed a geriatric Scholes with Carrick to dominate the league for United and Lampard to pretty much sweep up the majority of the cups.

Considering he was der best centre mid in der world in teams that at times contained Reina Carragher Mascherano Alonso Torres and Suarez then they really should have won a lot more so something obviously isn't true. All those players have proved themselves world class quality elsewhere so maybe just maybe the problem with Liverpool all along was that they had this local icon who had an incredible ability to impact big moments in big games but wasn't good enough to dictate the tempo of a 38 game season so relied on others to accommodate him to the detriment of the overall team. His world class myth was blown so out of proportion that Rafas attempts to play him wide or at 10 to improve the overall team were met with resistance and when Rodgers has tried to drop him it's been met with national mourning in the media. He has been a problem entirely of the kopites own creation. The one thing they were so desperate above all else to be world class actually held them back from ever having a world class team. If Rafael sold him in 2006 and gets in a 20 goal a season partner for Torres they walk the league in 07/08. If Rodgers benches Gerrard for the Chelsea game they win the league in 13/14. He's become bigger than the club though. Gerrard was old Liverpool and their cult like adherence to that means they valued it far above modern pl Liverpool so as one declined in stature the cult of Gerrard had to grow to compensate it and the cycle continued.

Thanks for everything Steven. You presided over a period of untold revenue in the game when teams were vying for their spot in the natural order and you ensured that Liverpool won few trophies and are now set fairly behind the top teams. A truly world class accomplishment.
 
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Has been put in a good light because he was the last of a golden age of centre mids in the prem. Keane, Scholes, Vieira, Gilberto Silva, Lampard, Makelele Gerrard all clashing against each other on a regular basis. Who is there now to take on that mantle? Toure (32 and prob leaving) Matic (only just arrived) and Fabregas are probably the only three centre kids of any real quality. One is leaving and the other two play for the same team. If top quality heirs to the likes of the names listed above had come forth then the illusion of Gerrard still bring a world class operator would have been smashed long before cart horses like Jedinak and Ashley Westwood were giving him the run around. Between about 2010 and now he stood virtually unopposed as a top centre mid in the league apart from Toure yet allowed a geriatric Scholes with Carrick to dominate the league for United and Lampard to pretty much sweep up the majority of the cups.

Considering he was der best centre mid in der world in teams that at times contained Reina Carragher Mascherano Alonso Torres and Suarez then they really should have won a lot more so something obviously isn't true. All those players have proved themselves world class quality elsewhere so maybe just maybe the problem with Liverpool all along was that they had this local icon who had an incredible ability to impact big moments in big games but wasn't good enough to dictate the tempo of a 38 game season so relied on others to accommodate him to the detriment of the overall team. His world class myth was blown so out of proportion that Rafas attempts to play him wide or at 10 to improve the overall team were met with resistance and when Rodgers has tried to drop him it's been met with national mourning in the media. He has been a problem entirely of the kopites own creation. The one thing they were so desperate above all else to be world class actually held them back from ever having a world class team. If Rafael sold him in 2006 and gets in a 20 goal a season partner for Torres they walk the league in 07/08. If Rodgers benches Gerrard for the Chelsea game they win the league in 13/14. He's become bigger than the club though. Gerrard was old Liverpool and their cult like adherence to that means they valued it far above modern pl Liverpool so as one declined in stature the cult of Gerrard had to grow to compensate it and the cycle continued.

Thanks for everything Steven. You presided over a period of untold revenue in the game when teams were vying for their spot in the natural order and you ensured that Liverpool won few trophies and are now set fairly behind the top teams. A truly world class accomplishment.
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Er Mccarthy mate.
 
I was listening to radio 5 in the car yesterday.....all Stevie G....switched it off and put it back on about one hour later.....not one word about Stevie, mind you it was a cricket programme, but still.......
 

The Mighty Quint said:
Gerrard won a few cups in far inferior sides, Lampard won his stuff in the richest team in the prem at the time.

Take the blue tinted shades off and look at it from neutral fans point of view.
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The fact that it was one of the most expensively assembled sides in the Prem, and Lampard was there playing in it, and bossing it, should speak it's own volumes tbh pal.
 

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