Steven Naismith

[njligernj]

As I said erarlier: what would anyone here think of a player who left Everton under suich cicumstances? They'd despise the snide. Fact.

This summer we half expect two of our best players to leave when we are a stable top 7 Prem club. So under (not the best but decent) circumstances we face losing our best players. If we were bankrupt and likely to be in lower leagues I would expect everyone (let alone just the best) to leave and I'd be too busy hunting the board with a 'Kill Bill' list and a Hattori Hanzo sword to worry about what the players were up to.

Anyway I never watch the Scottish stuff but seems like a reasonable deal given we need depth at striker and while he may not be the best he's probably the best going for no transfer fee.

 

[davek]

How much do you think the average Rangers player gets these days? It wont be massive amounts.

If I worked for a firm who was having major problems and may be wound up I would be off if a better offer came. Footballers are no different.

In an ideal world footballers would be loyal and all that but they aint. They are no different from anyone else in terms of wanting to make more money and going on to new challenges.

They were probably on an average of about seven grand a week.

Someone like Naismith would have racked up a small fortune in the seven years he's been there. Way beyond the comprehension or earning power of about 99% of the population of these islands. In that period, btw, he had two lengthy spell out with career threatening injuries. The club stuck with him and didn't push him out the door. What a nice way of repaying that loyalty.

 

[davek]

This summer we half expect two of our best players to leave when we are a stable top 7 Prem club. So under (not the best but decent) circumstances we face losing our best players. If we were bankrupt and likely to be in lower leagues I would expect everyone (let alone just the best) to leave and I'd be too busy hunting the board with a 'Kill Bill' list and a Hattori Hanzo sword to worry about what the players were up to.

Anyway I never watch the Scottish stuff but seems like a reasonable deal given we need depth at striker and while he may not be the best he's probably the best going for no transfer fee.

There'll be a fee. There's no way he'll be allowed to leave that newco without some club coughing up cash.

Anything resembling £2M for a player with a sliver of cartiledge left in his knees would be a gross misuse of scarce funding as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Summerskin]

There'll be a fee. There's no way he'll be allowed to leave that newco without some club coughing up cash.

Anything resembling £2M for a player with a sliver of cartiledge left in his knees would be a gross misuse of scarce funding as far as I'm concerned.

YEAH MATE BUT I GO THE MATCH EVERY WEEK HOME & AWAY YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR ON ABOUT.

 

[Scottish Toffee]

There'll be a fee. There's no way he'll be allowed to leave that newco without some club coughing up cash.

Anything resembling £2M for a player with a sliver of cartiledge left in his knees would be a gross misuse of scarce funding as far as I'm concerned.

He is not employed by the newco. No money will go to 'The Rangers Football Club'. If there is a fee it will be to SFA/SPL, but will be nowhere near the amount that he would have demanded as a player of a solvent club.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Sign him Moylez! Nai means scre• / fuc• in finnish

 

[davek]

He is not employed by the newco. No money will go to 'The Rangers Football Club'. If there is a fee it will be to SFA/SPL, but will be nowhere near the amount that he would have demanded as a player of a solvent club.

The registration was transferred over to newco when the old olco was liquidated under 'TUPE' according to Green.

 

[caught]

I'd wait, like the vast majority of the rest of my teammates, to see what the situation was first before stabbing the club who'd been paying my wages since I was 18 years of age in the back...the club I supported as a kid (apparently).

Not an unreasonable request for the owners of this newco to make I wouldn't think.

The trouble here is this: we've been conditioned to accept the greedy, grasping behaviour of footballers so muich we cant see the wood for the trees anymore.

If he acts like a treacherous money grabbing rat, that's what he is as far as I'm concerned. As I've asked a couple of times now in this thread: tell me you wouldn't despise any Everton player in similar circumstances doing this.

Signed just before his 21st bday (pedantry ed.)

Still, waiting wouldn't absolve him of anything would it? I agree the timing was poor, but if he's going to deploy a legal loophole (not really a loophole, but whatever) to cancel his contract then the only pertinent point is that he will be depriving Rangers of a transfer fee. That won't change if he waits two weeks.

I'd have no problem, in the same circumstance, if an Everton player negotiated a cut-price release from his contract. If a player chose to stay and play bottom-tier football I'd obviously consider him an Everton legend immediately, and something of a moral compass. But I'd never expect/demand it. Depriving a club of any fee - the way he's prepared to do - seems opportunistic, to the extent that I don't think his personal life (Rangers fan, etc.) necessarily makes the argument any more compelling.

 

[Scottish Toffee]

HThe registration was transferred over to newco when the old olco was liquidated under 'TUPE' according to Green.

He is pretty much the only man in the country who has that reading of the law. Employees under that legislation have the choice of whether they transfer their contracts to the newco, they are not obliged to do so however. Players will have taken legal advice before making statements regarding their status as free agents.

Green will have to go through a lengthy test case to give any weight to his statements and it will cost him a hell of a lot of money which I don't think he wants to spend. I get the sense that he is 'chucking the toys out of the pram'. trying to scare the players with legal action so that he doesn't lose players which he will have to replace. This is made worse by the fat that they will have to be replaced by players of a significantly worse quality.

That's my understanding of the situation.

 

[davek]

Signed just before his 21st bday (pedantry ed.)

Still, waiting wouldn't absolve him of anything would it? I agree the timing was poor, but if he's going to deploy a legal loophole (not really a loophole, but whatever) to cancel his contract then the only pertinent point is that he will be depriving Rangers of a transfer fee. That won't change if he waits two weeks.

I'd have no problem, in the same circumstance, if an Everton player negotiated a cut-price release from his contract. If a player chose to stay and play bottom-tier football I'd obviously consider him an Everton legend immediately, and something of a moral compass. But I'd never expect/demand it. Depriving a club of any fee - the way he's prepared to do - seems opportunistic, to the extent that I don't think his personal life (Rangers fan, etc.) necessarily makes the argument any more compelling.

It's pertinent because the player has stated that his reason for leaving is over uncertainty about which division he'd be playing in. Well he should hang on and find out then shouldn't he?

 

[davek]

He is pretty much the only man in the country who has that reading of the law. Employees under that legislation have the choice of whether they transfer their contracts to the newco, they are not obliged to do so however. Players will have taken legal advice before making statements regarding their status as free agents.

Green will have to go through a lengthy test case to give any weight to his statements and it will cost him a hell of a lot of money which I don't think he wants to spend. I get the sense that he is 'chucking the toys out of the pram'. trying to scare the players with legal action so that he doesn't lose players which he will have to replace. This is made worse by the fat that they will have to be replaced by players of a significantly worse quality.

That's my understanding of the situation.

My understanding is this: the newco/green have their interpretation and the wantaway players agents and solicitors have their interpretation. One thing is for sure: if Green is in this for the long haul and these players leave without a fee he will pursue this and any club that looks to get something for nothing will be entangled in a legal case they really should want to avoid like the plague. Those players are toxic.

 

[caught]

It's pertinent because the player has stated that his reason for leaving is over uncertainty about which division he'd be playing in. Well he should hang on and find out then shouldn't he?

Where's this statement? Not calling you a liar, but his official statement made no reference to the division he'd be playing in: http://www.scotzine.com/2012/06/in-...whittaker-statements-after-rangers-departure/

 

[Scottish Toffee]

My understanding is this: the newco/green have their interpretation and the wantaway players agents and solicitors have their interpretation. One thing is for sure: if Green is in this for the long haul and these players leave without a fee he will pursue this and any club that looks to get something for nothing will be entangled in a legal case they really should want to avoid like the plague. Those players are toxic.

Green's case is based around the notion that he has purported to inform the players that he is transferring their contracts. However, it seems that the necessary informing and consultation of the players if you read the statements by Whittaker and Naismith. All of the legal advice I have seen apart from Green's statements would suggest this to be the case, including SFA's. There are more issues that I cannot be bothered to delve into which complicate the matter but this is the crucial part. (see this for an simple discussion of the issues http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18569993)

Furthermore, the players have to effectively decide by Thursday if they wish not to have their contract transferred. This is because that will be when the players have been ordered back for training and when their first pay cheque will be issued - implied intention to have their contract transferred is then assumed.

 

[Zatara]

There'll be a fee. There's no way he'll be allowed to leave that newco without some club coughing up cash.

Anything resembling £2M for a player with a sliver of cartiledge left in his knees would be a gross misuse of scarce funding as far as I'm concerned.

You've lost me.....he isn't part of the new company....he WAS part of the old company which has now been destroyed.

He has a choice.....it's a bit like the matrix.

 

[Leonard Rossiter]

this whole legal/morale debate is all very well, and quite interesting but as I know NOTHING about scottish football I would prefer to read peoples opinions about whether he is any good at playing football.