Steven Naismith

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RFUS said:
Without Baines in the side we need something else. What's the point in having a central player drifting in from the left when you've got a CB overlapping?

Not to mention playing with two defensive mids. It puts far too much pressure on Ross to create something.
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I can understand why Naismith has been starting though. Del and Mirallas playing does leave us quite vulnerable, and Martinez probably wanted to have a more solid lineup from the start. That back-fired, but it's understandable.

Baines will probably be back for the game after the Norwich one in the League Cup, I'd imagine.

Him and Cleverley will work down the left. Against teams we should be taking the game to at home, I'd want us to start Mirallas out there, but then again I think he's a lot more effective down the right.

Pienaar was never a winger. But he played that role so well down the years it didn't matter. There's a video on Youtube of all Everton's goals in 2013/14 - the amount he is involved in is ridiculous.

We've lost a huge part of how we played, and Mirallas really does not offer that link up. Cleverley showed glimpses of it, and also provides the side with balance, allowing the likes of Barkley and whoever is on the right to concentrate on attacking.
 
BlueToff said:
I can understand why Naismith has been starting though. Del and Mirallas playing does leave us quite vulnerable, and Martinez probably wanted to have a more solid lineup from the start. That back-fired, but it's understandable.

Baines will probably be back for the game after the Norwich one in the League Cup, I'd imagine.

Him and Cleverley will work down the left. Against teams we should be taking the game to at home, I'd want us to start Mirallas out there, but then again I think he's a lot more effective down the right.

Pienaar was never a winger. But he played that role so well down the years it didn't matter. There's a video on Youtube of all Everton's goals in 2013/14 - the amount he is involved in is ridiculous.

We've lost a huge part of how we played, and Mirallas really does not offer that link up. Cleverley showed glimpses of it, and also provides the side with balance, allowing the likes of Barkley and whoever is on the right to concentrate on attacking.
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What I really don't get is how does Naismith make us more solid, he doesn't cover more ground that kev, he is a worse athlete, he drifts inside far far more leaving the left wing exposed or forcing Barkley out there, and he gives the ball away more, he is picked out of this idea that he is the safe option I agree, but the idea itself is flawed
 
He can't start the next match after that performance. One of the worst halves I've seen from an Everton player in a long time.

Every touch went to a United player, we'd have the ball in good areas only for him to lose it and break down our move.
Highlight was when we were on the counter and he screwed up a 10 yard pass and played it straight to the opposition.
Shocking.
If Martinez starts Naismith we're going to have a problem me and him.
 

BlueToff said:
I can understand why Naismith has been starting though. Del and Mirallas playing does leave us quite vulnerable, and Martinez probably wanted to have a more solid lineup from the start. That back-fired, but it's understandable.

Baines will probably be back for the game after the Norwich one in the League Cup, I'd imagine.

Him and Cleverley will work down the left. Against teams we should be taking the game to at home, I'd want us to start Mirallas out there, but then again I think he's a lot more effective down the right.

Pienaar was never a winger. But he played that role so well down the years it didn't matter. There's a video on Youtube of all Everton's goals in 2013/14 - the amount he is involved in is ridiculous.

We've lost a huge part of how we played, and Mirallas really does not offer that link up. Cleverley showed glimpses of it, and also provides the side with balance, allowing the likes of Barkley and whoever is on the right to concentrate on attacking.
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Baines and Cleverley on the left I am fine with.

However without Baines in the side, I just don't understand why we'd not play Mirallas on the left. If your fullback isn't going to offer much then the man ahead of him has to.

If we are vulnerable with two wingers when we have a CB at LB and two defensive mids, then something's seriously wrong. I'd argue we're more defensively vulnerable playing with the lineup we started with yesterday, because if you can't hold onto the ball or do anything with it, you put your defence under a lot more pressure.
 
Walken said:
What I really don't get is how does Naismith make us more solid, he doesn't cover more ground that kev, he is a worse athlete, he drifts inside far far more leaving the left wing exposed or forcing Barkley out there, and he gives the ball away more, he is picked out of this idea that he is the safe option I agree, but the idea itself is flawed
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I agree. I think he does track back more than Kev, definitely, but he probably has the same impact defensively. From an attacking view point, I think the main thing that Naismith offers over Mirallas is his work-rate, running the channels and being a nascence, basically.

I wish Martinez would start Mirallas, but I can understand why he hasn't.

But, this idea that Mirallas on the left would solve a problem is flawed as well. He gets very predictable on the left imo. Much more effective on the right.
 
BlueToff said:
I agree. I think he does track back more than Kev, definitely, but he probably has the same impact defensively. From an attacking view point, I think the main thing that Naismith offers over Mirallas is his work-rate, running the channels and being a nascence, basically.

I wish Martinez would start Mirallas, but I can understand why he hasn't.

But, this idea that Mirallas on the left would solve a problem is flawed as well. He gets very predictable on the left imo. Much more effective on the right.
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The modern winger is pretty interchangeable these days, the idea of being a left or right winger has all but died out, well roberto does seem to be the exception to that as well, when it comes to gerry or lennon, he has one of them hugging the touch line, and the guys on the left drifting in, given Baines absence I'm not sure its a great set up, and leaves to much down to individual brilliance from someone for us to get going, I wouldn't mind seeing Gerry swap wings every now and again, it might actually develop his link up play if he was more inclined to cut inside. Either way we can't afford to start that midfield consistently and just hope Ross or Rom create something, when four out of the five players in midfield don't have the ability to be part of a fluid move and want to present angles and different options, it's all a little stagnant, as grim as Naismith was I'm not really blaming one player for yesterday, I think the set up was poor, and this has been the case a few times
 
He's got plenty of good attributes but days like yesterday are a hard watch. It was actually bruta knowing what we had in reserve on the bench and he was putting in that performance.
 
Kiwi said:
He can't start the next match after that performance. One of the worst halves I've seen from an Everton player in a long time.

Every touch went to a United player, we'd have the ball in good areas only for him to lose it and break down our move.
Highlight was when we were on the counter and he screwed up a 10 yard pass and played it straight to the opposition.
Shocking.
If Martinez starts Naismith we're going to have a problem me and him.
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As well as being pretty appalling anyway, I'd even doubt his attitude from now on. It was apparent he had his eye on first team football from a Scotland Euro 2016 perspective. Now that's failed, I dont believe he's going to have any sort of motivation to get his head down and work. He knows he can get a move away to some mugs who are going to look at his goal tally and think he's a worthwhile punt.
 

Should never be in the starting 11 unless absolutely necessary and if even be debating throwing a talented kid in he is just awful at football, not just one or two things everything, pops up with the odd goal but if he didn't he'd be playing for tranmere
 
An in form Mirallas will score individual goals and provide much more to the team than Naismith. We need a player that can be isolated and create besides Barkley, or they will take him out of the game. We have two holding midfielders for a reason; so we can utilize our width without getting punished on the counter every time.
 
He's had 5 starts since the Chelsea match (6 if you include the Barnsley match I think)

Apart from a good header saved by Mignolet saved in the derby I cannot think of a particularly bright moment. He's had his chance and I applaud Martinez for giving him a go. Kone to start over him please, or Mirallas
 

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